Hi,

The path you give to the constructor must be a path on some distributed 
filesystem, otherwise the data will be lost when the local machine crashes. As 
you mentioned correctly.

RocksDB will keep files in a local directory (you can specify this using 
setDbStoragePath()) and when checkpointing will write to the checkpoint 
directory that you specified in the constructor.

Best,
Aljoscha


> On 4. Jan 2018, at 14:23, Jinhua Luo <luajit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I still do not understand the relationship between rocksdb backend and
> the filesystem (here I refer to any filesystem impl, including local,
> hdfs, s3).
> 
> For example, when I specify the path to rocksdb backend:
> env.setStateBackend(new RocksDBStateBackend("file:///data1/flinkapp"));
> 
> What does it mean?
> 
> Each task manager would save states to /data1/flinkapp on its machine?
> But it seems no sense. Because when one of the machines crashes, the
> job manager could not access the states on dead machine.
> Or, each task manager creates rocksdb instance on temporary path, and
> send snapshots to job manager, then job manager in turn saves them on
> /data1/flinkapp on the job manager's machine?
> 
> Could you give the data flow example?
> 
> And another question is, when I turn off checkpointing (which is also
> default cfg), what happens to the states processing?
> 
> 
> 
> 2018-01-03 0:06 GMT+08:00 Timo Walther <twal...@apache.org>:
>> Hi Jinhua,
>> 
>> I will try to answer your questions:
>> 
>> Flink checkpoints the state of each operator. For a Kafka consumer operator
>> this is only the offset. For other operators (such as Windows or a
>> ProcessFunction) the values/list/maps stored in the state are checkpointed.
>> If you are interested in the internals, I would recommend this page [1].
>> Only the MemoryStateBackend sends entire states to the JobManager (see [2]).
>> But you are right, this is a bottleneck and not very fault-tolerant.
>> Usually, Flink assumes to have some distributed file system (such as HDFS)
>> to which each Flink operator can be checkpointed in a fault-tolerant way.
>> For the RocksDbStateBackend the local files are copied to HDFS as well. At
>> the time of writing, only the RocksDBBackend supports incremental
>> checkpoints. The JobManager can then read from HDFS and restore the operator
>> on a different machine.
>> 
>> Feel free to ask further questions.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Timo
>> 
>> [1]
>> https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-release-1.4/internals/stream_checkpointing.html
>> [2]
>> https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-release-1.4/ops/state/state_backends.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 1/1/18 um 3:50 PM schrieb Jinhua Luo:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have two questions:
>>> 
>>> a) does the records/elements themselves would be checkpointed? or just
>>> record offset checkpointed? That is, what data included in the
>>> checkpoint except for states?
>>> 
>>> b) where flink stores the state globally? so that the job manager
>>> could restore them on each task manger at failure restart.
>>> 
>>> For the heap backend, all task managers would send states to job
>>> manager, and job manager would save it in its heap, correct?
>>> 
>>> For the fs/rocksdb backend, all task managers would save states
>>> (incrementally or not) in local path temporarily, and send them (in
>>> rocksdb snapshot format for the rocksdb case?) to the job manager at
>>> checkpoint?
>>> 
>>> The path we used to configure backend is the path on the job manager
>>> machine but not on the task managers' machines? So that's the
>>> bottleneck and single failure point? So it's better to use hdfs path
>>> so that we could scale the storage and make it high availability as
>>> well?
>>> 
>>> Thank you all.
>> 
>> 
>> 

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