We removed all references to the sun mail.jar file in the geronimo classpath and i removed the GBEAN references from the geronimo email plan and left only the geronimo mail dependency jars. We undeployed the old plan and redeployed the new and ran the application. We recieved an error that i expected. The app could not find the provider for smtp. Since our application references the sun javax.mail SMTP class indirectly via the javax.mail.Transport.send(message); call, i am not sure how internally geronimo would resolve to use the geronimo SMTPTransport mail class. But, i thought somehow the geronimo email plan we deployed would handle this. Here is the error:
Thu Jan 25 16:33:49 EST 2007 <;> <;> ID=3 <;> Message=Could not locate the internet provider for [EMAIL PROTECTED]<;> Thread=Thread[AmicaWebApp--TP-Processor3,5,main] <;> Original Exception=javax.mail.NoSuchProviderException: Unable to locate provider for protocol: smtp:Unable to locate provider for protocol: smtp We cannot change our application logic to use the geronimo SMTPTransport class since our production environment is not Geronimo. Here is our application import list: import javax.mail.Message; import javax.mail.MessagingException; import javax.mail.NoSuchProviderException; import javax.mail.SendFailedException; import javax.mail.Session; import javax.mail.Transport; import javax.mail.internet.AddressException; import javax.mail.internet.InternetAddress; import javax.mail.internet.MimeMessage; We cannot change these imports due to the reasons i mentioned above, but since the javax.mail.Transport object uses the com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport class, how can we tell it to use the geronimo SMTPTransport class? Should this be handled by our plan without having to change our application code? here is the plan we deployed: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <module xmlns="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/deployment-1.1";> <dep:environment xmlns:dep="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/deployment-1.1";> <dep:moduleId> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> <dep:artifactId>javamail-server</dep:artifactId> </dep:moduleId> <dep:dependencies> <dep:dependency> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> <dep:artifactId>geronimo-mail</dep:artifactId> <dep:version>1.1.1</dep:version> <dep:type>jar</dep:type> <dep:import>classes</dep:import> </dep:dependency> <dep:dependency> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> <dep:artifactId>geronimo-javamail-transport</dep:artifactId> <dep:version>1.1.1</dep:version> <dep:type>jar</dep:type> <dep:import>classes</dep:import> </dep:dependency> <dep:dependency> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> <dep:artifactId>rmi-naming</dep:artifactId> <dep:version>1.1.1</dep:version> <dep:type>car</dep:type> </dep:dependency> </dep:dependencies> <dep:hidden-classes/> <dep:non-overridable-classes/> </dep:environment> </module> Rick McGuire wrote: > > Michael C. wrote: >> Thank you for your replies, they are greatly appreciated. I would like >> to >> step back for a moment and be sure i understand the big picture. >> >> When our team first changed over from WSAD to MyEclipse and decided to >> use >> Geronimo 1.0 as our local app server, we ran into this same email >> problem. >> I found that there were some email bugs in the Geronimo 1.0 version, and >> that you had to use the geronimo-mail.jar and the >> geronimo-javamail-transport.jar files, and configure geronimo thru a >> GBEAN >> to use these jars to fix the email issue. Maybe already, my >> understanding >> was incorrect but this did fix the issue. >> >> We just upgraded to geronimo 1.1.1 and re-introduced the same email >> issue. >> I have read where this email issue was fixed with 1.1.1. But without any >> changes, we still throw errors. When i deployed the new email plan(in my >> earlier threads), we still throw errors. So i have a couple questions... >> >> Since our application code uses the javax.mail.* packages, it would be >> best >> to configure geronimo to use these packages for email. To be honest, if >> this is fixed with 1.1.1, then why are there still geronimo version email >> packages in the new install? >> >> Our intent would certainly be to use the mail packages from Sun since >> this >> is the .jar file used in our app and our WebSphere production server. Is >> it >> an option to configure Geronimo to use this mail.jar file and if so, how >> do >> we go about doing it? >> > Geronimo comes with its own implementation of the javax.mail.* apis and > it's own transport implementation. The javax.mail APIs are used by > other components (e.g., Axis) so they are pretty fundamental to Geronimo > operations and show up in a lot of dependencies. > > Unfortunately, part of javamail processing is locating and loading all > transport implementations contained in jars on the classpath. If both > the sun jar and the geronimo jars are present, then both sets of > transports get loaded and depending on the search order, the default > transports can end up being the Sun versions. This appears to be what's > happening in this case. > > My recommendation is to just use the geronimo jar files, and remove the > Sun versions. The setup is very similar to the previous release. You > only actually need to configure a GBean if you're using a mail > resource. If you're just directly using the mail apis, you only need to > add the jar files to your dependency list. > > Rick > > >> Rick McGuire wrote: >> >>> The message about unable to relay for that address is sent back from the >>> SMTP server. I'm not sure what it didn't like, but it appears it >>> couldn't figure out where to relay the message. >>> >>> The part I find interesting is the stack trace. You're using the Sun >>> javamail transport implementation, not the Geronimo one. The API code >>> (javax.mail.* appears to be the Geronimo version). Is that what you >>> intended? I know we've never tested that combo, so it's unclear how >>> well that would work. You might want to check around for a spurious >>> mail.jar file. Having that in your classpath can potentially cause the >>> other transports to get registered and override the Geronimo ones. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> Michael C. wrote: >>> >>>> I tried your approach and that particular error went away but now i >>>> believe i >>>> am back to the root cause of all this effort; our email logic is >>>> throwing >>>> an >>>> error on this line in our application: >>>> >>>> javax.mail.Transport.send(message); >>>> >>>> Message=Could not send eMail to address [EMAIL PROTECTED] <;> >>>> Thread=Thread[AmicaWebApp--TP-Processor3,5,main] <;> Original >>>> Exception=javax.mail.SendFailedException: Invalid Addresses >>>> (javax.mail.SendFailedException: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> ):Invalid Addresses (javax.mail.SendFailedException: 550 5.7.1 Unable >>>> to >>>> relay for [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> Thu Jan 25 09:28:14 EST 2007 <;> Message=Could not send eMail to >>>> address >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<;> >>>> Thread=Thread[AmicaWebApp--TP-Processor3,5,main] <;> Original >>>> Exception=javax.mail.SendFailedException: Invalid Addresses >>>> (javax.mail.SendFailedException: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> ):Invalid Addresses (javax.mail.SendFailedException: 550 5.7.1 Unable >>>> to >>>> relay for [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> ) :Could not send eMail to address [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> javax.mail.SendFailedException: Invalid Addresses >>>> (javax.mail.SendFailedException: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> ) >>>> at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.rcptTo(SMTPTransport.java:804) >>>> at >>>> com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.sendMessage(SMTPTransport.java:320) >>>> at javax.mail.Transport.send(Transport.java:93) >>>> at javax.mail.Transport.send(Transport.java:46) >>>> >>>> Caused by: javax.mail.SendFailedException: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay >>>> for >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.rcptTo(SMTPTransport.java:672) >>>> >>>> I supplemented the real address but we are using a good address. This >>>> error >>>> only occurs in our local testing using Geronimo but once we move our >>>> code >>>> to >>>> the next tier where WebSphere is running, everything works fine. There >>>> is a >>>> configuration issue that i do not understand. >>>> >>>> >>>> djencks wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> It looks to me as if the error message is fairly clear about the >>>>> first think that is wrong with your xml.... >>>>> >>>>> <resource-ref> >>>>> <property>MailSession</property> >>>>> <res-type>javax.mail.Session</res-type> >>>>> <res-auth>Container</res-auth> >>>>> <res-sharing-scope>Shareable</res-sharing-scope> >>>>> <pattern> >>>>> <name>mail/MailSession</name> >>>>> </pattern> >>>>> </resource-ref> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Caused by: org.apache.xmlbeans.XmlException: Invalid deployment >>>>>> descriptor: >>>>>> [error: cvc-complex-type.2.4a: Expected element >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' instead of >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' here in >>>>>> element >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I think this will work: >>>>> <resource-ref> >>>>> <ref-name>MailSession</ref-name> >>>>> <resource-link>mail/MailSession</resource-link> >>>>> </resource-ref> >>>>> >>>>> and I also think that if you name the mail session the same in your >>>>> app and your mail-server plan you won't need any entry in the >>>>> geronimo-web.xml at all. >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> david jencks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Michael C. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Our team has just upgraded from geronimo 1.0 to 1.1.1 >>>>>> Previously, to surpress javamail errors, we had to create a gbean >>>>>> and deploy >>>>>> it, then add a resource-ref entry to our geronimo-web.xml file and >>>>>> this >>>>>> worked. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since our upgrade, we are back to our original javamail errors. I >>>>>> found >>>>>> entries on other postings here and successfully deployed the >>>>>> following plan: >>>>>> >>>>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>>>>> >>>>>> <module xmlns="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/deployment-1.1";> >>>>>> <dep:environment >>>>>> xmlns:dep="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/deployment-1.1";> >>>>>> <dep:moduleId> >>>>>> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> >>>>>> <dep:artifactId>javamail-server</dep:artifactId> >>>>>> </dep:moduleId> >>>>>> >>>>>> <dep:dependencies> >>>>>> <dep:dependency> >>>>>> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> >>>>>> <dep:artifactId>geronimo-mail</dep:artifactId> >>>>>> <dep:version>1.1.1</dep:version> >>>>>> <dep:type>jar</dep:type> >>>>>> <dep:import>classes</dep:import> >>>>>> </dep:dependency> >>>>>> <dep:dependency> >>>>>> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> >>>>>> <dep:artifactId>geronimo-javamail-transport</dep:artifactId> >>>>>> <dep:version>1.1.1</dep:version> >>>>>> <dep:type>jar</dep:type> >>>>>> <dep:import>classes</dep:import> >>>>>> </dep:dependency> >>>>>> <dep:dependency> >>>>>> <dep:groupId>geronimo</dep:groupId> >>>>>> <dep:artifactId>rmi-naming</dep:artifactId> >>>>>> <dep:type>car</dep:type> >>>>>> </dep:dependency> >>>>>> </dep:dependencies> >>>>>> <dep:hidden-classes/> >>>>>> <dep:non-overridable-classes/> >>>>>> </dep:environment> >>>>>> >>>>>> <gbean name="SMTPTransport" >>>>>> class="org.apache.geronimo.mail.SMTPTransportGBean"> >>>>>> <attribute name="host">our smtp remote host</attribute> >>>>>> <attribute name="port">25</attribute> >>>>>> </gbean> >>>>>> <gbean name="mail/MailSession" >>>>>> class="org.apache.geronimo.mail.MailGBean"> >>>>>> <attribute name="transportProtocol">smtp</attribute> >>>>>> <attribute name="debug">true</attribute> >>>>>> <reference name="Protocols"> >>>>>> <name>SMTPTransport</name> >>>>>> </reference> >>>>>> </gbean> >>>>>> </module> >>>>>> >>>>>> at this point, we need an entry in our geronimo-web.xml and so i >>>>>> have added >>>>>> this: >>>>>> >>>>>> <resource-ref> >>>>>> <property>MailSession</property> >>>>>> <res-type>javax.mail.Session</res-type> >>>>>> <res-auth>Container</res-auth> >>>>>> <res-sharing-scope>Shareable</res-sharing-scope> >>>>>> <pattern> >>>>>> <name>mail/MailSession</name> >>>>>> </pattern> >>>>>> </resource-ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> This entry throws the following error: >>>>>> >>>>>> 10:16:48,922 ERROR [Hot Deployer] Unable to deploy: xml problem for >>>>>> web app >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: xml problem for web >>>>>> app . >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.tomcat.deployment.TomcatModuleBuilder.getTomcatWeb >>>>>> App(TomcatModuleBuilder.java:234) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.tomcat.deployment.TomcatModuleBuilder.createModule >>>>>> (TomcatModuleBuilder.java:158) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.web.deployment.AbstractWebModuleBuilder.createModu >>>>>> le(AbstractWebModuleBuilder.java:121) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.web.deployment.AbstractWebModuleBuilder$ >>>>>> $FastClassByCGLIB$$459e0cc.invoke(<generated>) >>>>>> >>>>>> at net.sf.cglib.reflect.FastMethod.invoke(FastMethod.java:53) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.FastMethodInvoker.invoke >>>>>> (FastMethodInvoker.java:38) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanOperation.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanOperation.java:122) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanInstance.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanInstance.java:817) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.RawInvoker.invoke(RawInvoker.java: >>>>>> 57) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.kernel.basic.RawOperationInvoker.invoke >>>>>> (RawOperationInvoker.java:35) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.kernel.basic.ProxyMethodInterceptor.intercept >>>>>> (ProxyMethodInterceptor.java:96) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.j2ee.deployment.ModuleBuilder$$EnhancerByCGLIB$ >>>>>> $1f792348.createModule(<generated>) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.j2ee.deployment.SwitchingModuleBuilder.createModul >>>>>> e(SwitchingModuleBuilder.java:94) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.j2ee.deployment.SwitchingModuleBuilder$ >>>>>> $FastClassByCGLIB$$d0c31844.invoke(<generated>) >>>>>> >>>>>> at net.sf.cglib.reflect.FastMethod.invoke(FastMethod.java:53) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.FastMethodInvoker.invoke >>>>>> (FastMethodInvoker.java:38) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanOperation.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanOperation.java:122) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanInstance.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanInstance.java:817) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.RawInvoker.invoke(RawInvoker.java: >>>>>> 57) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.kernel.basic.RawOperationInvoker.invoke >>>>>> (RawOperationInvoker.java:35) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.kernel.basic.ProxyMethodInterceptor.intercept >>>>>> (ProxyMethodInterceptor.java:96) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.j2ee.deployment.ModuleBuilder$$EnhancerByCGLIB$ >>>>>> $1f792348.createModule(<generated>) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.j2ee.deployment.EARConfigBuilder.getDeploymentPlan >>>>>> (EARConfigBuilder.java:275) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.j2ee.deployment.EARConfigBuilder$ >>>>>> $FastClassByCGLIB$$38e56ec6.invoke(<generated>) >>>>>> >>>>>> at net.sf.cglib.reflect.FastMethod.invoke(FastMethod.java:53) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.FastMethodInvoker.invoke >>>>>> (FastMethodInvoker.java:38) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanOperation.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanOperation.java:122) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanInstance.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanInstance.java:817) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.RawInvoker.invoke(RawInvoker.java: >>>>>> 57) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.kernel.basic.RawOperationInvoker.invoke >>>>>> (RawOperationInvoker.java:35) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.kernel.basic.ProxyMethodInterceptor.intercept >>>>>> (ProxyMethodInterceptor.java:96) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.deployment.ConfigurationBuilder$$EnhancerByCGLIB >>>>>> $$2b662bba.getDeploymentPlan(<generated>) >>>>>> >>>>>> at org.apache.geronimo.deployment.Deployer.deploy >>>>>> (Deployer.java:232) >>>>>> >>>>>> at org.apache.geronimo.deployment.Deployer.deploy >>>>>> (Deployer.java:124) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.deployment.Deployer$$FastClassByCGLIB$ >>>>>> $734a235d.invoke(<generated>) >>>>>> >>>>>> at net.sf.cglib.reflect.FastMethod.invoke(FastMethod.java:53) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.FastMethodInvoker.invoke >>>>>> (FastMethodInvoker.java:38) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanOperation.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanOperation.java:122) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.gbean.runtime.GBeanInstance.invoke >>>>>> (GBeanInstance.java:852) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.kernel.basic.BasicKernel.invoke >>>>>> (BasicKernel.java:239) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.deployment.plugin.local.AbstractDeployCommand.doDe >>>>>> ploy(AbstractDeployCommand.java:106) >>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> org.apache.geronimo.deployment.plugin.local.DistributeCommand.run >>>>>> (DistributeCommand.java:60) >>>>>> >>>>>> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) >>>>>> >>>>>> Caused by: org.apache.xmlbeans.XmlException: Invalid deployment >>>>>> descriptor: >>>>>> [error: cvc-complex-type.2.4a: Expected element >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' instead of >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' here in >>>>>> element >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1, error: >>>>>> cvc-complex-type.2.4a: Expected element >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' instead of >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' here in >>>>>> element >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1, error: >>>>>> cvc-complex-type.2.4a: Expected element >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' instead of >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' here in >>>>>> element >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1, error: >>>>>> cvc-complex-type.2.4a: Expected element >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' instead of >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' >>>>>> here in >>>>>> element [EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1, >>>>>> error: >>>>>> cvc-complex-type.2.4a: Expected element >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' instead of >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' here in >>>>>> element >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1, error: >>>>>> cvc-complex-type.2.4c: Expected element >>>>>> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1' before the >>>>>> end of >>>>>> the content in element >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1] >>>>>> >>>>>> Descriptor: <xml-fragment >>>>>> xsi:schemaLocation="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/j2ee/web-1.1 >>>>>> ../../../schemas/geronimo-web-1.1.xsd >>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1 geronimo- >>>>>> naming-1.1.xsd >>>>>> http://geronimo..apache.org/xml/ns/security-1.1 >>>>>> geronimo-security-1.1.xsd http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/ >>>>>> deployment-1.1 >>>>>> geronimo-module-1.1.xsd " >>>>>> xmlns:geronimo="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/security-1.1"; >>>>>> xmlns:naming="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1"; >>>>>> xmlns:sys="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/deployment-1.1"; >>>>>> xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"; >>>>>> xmlns:tom="http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/j2ee/web/tomcat-1.1";> >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone provide assistance? Thanks in advance. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/geronimo- >>>>>> mail-1.1.1-tf3081989.html#a8563115 >>>>>> Sent from the Apache Geronimo - Users mailing list archive at >>>>>> Nabble.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/geronimo-mail-1.1.1-tf3081989.html#a8641662 Sent from the Apache Geronimo - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
