JB,

Thanks.

But is there anything in place to prevent the preemptive shutdown from
stopping a bundle before it otherwise would be based on the start-level?

The problem in this case is that the ActiveMQ bundle (that uses blueprint)
gets shutdown before message consumers (that don't use blueprint), even
though the consumer's start-level is higher.  So the consumers end up
trying to reconnect and won't shutdown.  When preemptive is changed to
false, the shutdown order seems to be such that this problem doesn't occur.

And this shutdown issue doesn't directly cause or avoid the corruption,
rather it is when Karaf doesn't shutdown due to the hung/retrying to
connect bundles and has to be killed that the corruption occurs.  So if we
can avoid having to kill the Karaf process, we avoid the corruption.

Kevin

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The preemptive shutdown is specially written to avoid problems when a bean
> from a bundle being shut down will wait for 5 minutes for a dependency
> which will never come up. This is done by looking at the service
> dependencies and shutting down the blueprint bundles containers that have
> no exported services in use and iterating ...
>
> So, with true, the "regular" shutdown is faster (as we don't wait 5
> minutes).
>
> I don't thin the bundle cache corruption is related to this as it's more
> at framework level.
>
> However, as I said, I will investigate the issue.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 01/09/2015 12:21 AM, asookazian2 wrote:
>
>> Please answer the question below regarding usage of
>> org.apache.aries.blueprint.preemptiveShutdown=false.  any repercussions
>> of
>> doing this?
>>
>> Also, is there any documentation on this and any other system properties
>> that are "hidden"?  Perhaps this one should be explicitly set to
>> true/false
>> by default in the system.properties file?
>>
>>
>> schmke wrote
>>
>>> One case I've seen, this issue occurs when ActiveMQ is being used and
>>> gets
>>> shutdown as part of the Blueprint shutdown that doesn't seem to follow
>>> the
>>> reverse start-level shutdown.  Then AMQ clients that aren't using
>>> Blueprint
>>> have issues as they are trying to reconnect and don't shutdown.
>>>
>>> I found that there is a setting,
>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint.preemptiveShutdown, which defaults to true
>>> but
>>> when set to false seems to help this issue.  But what is the impact or
>>> side-effects of setting it to false?  Will the shutdown just take longer
>>> in
>>> this case?  Or is there something else to be aware of?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré &lt;
>>>
>>
>>  jb@
>>>
>>
>>  &gt;
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  We have a Jira about that, it's related to Felix framework and bundle
>>>> cache corruption. Just delete the cache fixes the issue but I'm looking
>>>> for
>>>> a more reliable workaround (in Karaf).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/08/2015 01:12 AM, asookazian2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Karaf 3.0.2
>>>>>
>>>>> we are seeing intermittent hanging on halt (shutdown) of karaf.  we
>>>>> then
>>>>> use
>>>>> 'kill -9' on karaf java process.  then, sometimes after a restart, we
>>>>> are
>>>>> seeing some bundles (typically the last n bundles) in 'installed'
>>>>> state.
>>>>> I
>>>>> believe I saw on this forum JB commented the root cause of this is a
>>>>> felix
>>>>> bug.  Any details on this JIRA, etc. and when it may be fixed?  Has
>>>>> anybody
>>>>> else seen this behavior?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the log we are seeing:
>>>>>
>>>>> 20150107 15:38:22.613 [WARN ] ActiveMQ Task-3 |
>>>>> 147:org.apache.activemq.activemq-osgi |
>>>>> org.apache.activemq.transport.failover.FailoverTransport | Failed to
>>>>> connect
>>>>> to [tcp://localhost:61616] after: 10 attempt(s) continuing to retry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, i noticed today that I could not 'uninstall
>>>>>
>>>> <bundleId>
>>> ' for these
>>>
>>>> corrupted bundles.  Should we just delete them manually from
>>>>> kara/data/cache/
>>>>>
>>>> <bundleId>
>>>   directory and restart karaf?  thx for any help.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> btw, we tried switching to equinox but we had other issues with that so
>>>>> back
>>>>> with felix for now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context: http://karaf.922171.n3.nabble.
>>>>> com/bundle-corruption-with-felix-and-karaf-3-0-2-tp4037669.html
>>>>> Sent from the Karaf - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>
>>>>
>>  jbonofre@
>>>
>>
>>  http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
> --
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> [email protected]
>
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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