Ted - thank you for taking the time to point out that in Multivariate
Systems, there are many interpretations to what would seem ordinary and
non-debatable in scalar mathematics.

For example, in the relational algebra world, I know of seven different
interpretations of relational division.

SCott

On 12/29/13 10:02 PM, "Ted Dunning" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Tharindu Rusira
><[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Hi Ted, Thanks for taking this discussion back alive. It's true, as
>> Sebestian mentioned, equality checking for matrices is an expensive task
>> and Ted has come up with a smart one liner here(even though a
>>considerable
>> amount of computational complexity is hidden somewhere).
>> But don't you think (at least for the sake of completeness) that we
>>should
>> have an implementation of this?
>>
>
>Not really.  The problem is that there are many different meanings of
>"equal" for matrices. In fact there are many definitions of zero, as well.
> This stems partly from the fact that we have to inherit a sense of nearly
>zero or nearly equal from the fact that we are using floating point
>arithmetic.  This is exactly why equals is poorly defined for floating
>point numbers, but worse.
>
>As such any single definition is going to be seriously problematic.  Any
>definition that doesn't have a tolerance argument is inherently dangerous
>to use except in very limited situations.
>
>For example here are some possibilities for vector equality:
>
>   | x - y|_F < \delta
>   | x - y|_1 < \delta
>   | x - y|_0 < \delta
>   (x-y)^T A (x-y) < \delta
>   x^T A y > 1-\delta/2
>
>The first says that the sum of the squares of the components of the
>difference is less than a particular number.  The second says that the sum
>of the absolute values of the difference is less.  The third says that the
>maximum value of the difference is different.  The third says that the dot
>product of the of the difference is nearly zero neglecting components in
>the null space of A.  The last form is useful for cases where x and y have
>unit norm with respect to A (i.e. x^T A x = 1).
>
>Which of these is correct?  Of all of these, only the last two are
>equivalent and only in limited situations.
>
>For matrices, there are even more possibilities.
>
>
>
>> Btw, this thread has turned into a developers discussion, so I'm not
>>sure
>> whether we should continue this on the developers list.
>>
>
>I think that this is a very important thread for users at large as well.


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