All,
<rant>
I second David's Comments. It has been a challenge reading the posts
here and on the forums lately. A lot of BMW (Bitching, Moaning,
Whining) lately. It's easy to understand why David Jones, et al, are
possibly a little frustrated (or what seems frustrated) in some of their
replies to the group.
As a newbie, I lurk around here to see what others are doing, where
their challenges are and to learn. What I've see for the past week or
two is only about 35% helpful. Spirited discussions are helpful, to a
point, then they just become noise. Therefore, I offer...
My 2 cents, and it's worth what you paid for it.
1) If you don't like something, fix it and contribute it back to the
community. Otherwise, ask for help and respect the answer you've been
given.
2) Remember, we are a community, and as such, there will be things that
we love, things we hate, and things we can be ambivalent about. You
choose which is which. And, if you hate it, see #1.
3) There is a lot of work to be done, so find out what you love or hate
in #2 and make it better.
4) Contribute, be part of the cause, play a part, share, and most of
all, have fun building this OfBiz community.
</rant>
Thanks for reading,
John McAdams
Application Development Team Lead
State of Oregon DHS.OIS.AMS
971.673.0111
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"When debugging, novices insert corrective code; experts remove
defective code." -- Richard Pattis
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When I read the help forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ , I tend to
see the same thing. People are complaining about the developers (How
could they *possibly* allow something like this to happen?!?!?) or ease
of use (I should have to go through *all this* to get it to work!
Ubuntu sucks!). Usually someone chimes in and says something to the
effect of: "Ubuntu is free software. You're not in much of a position
to complain about something when you're getting it for free."
Tim Ruppert wrote:
I just wanted to move this topic to something that would be less
related
to one particular topic and more related to what appears to be a
deteriorating tone in the user community.
As everyone knows, there is a A LOT of work constantly going on
around
the user & dev communities here at OFBiz - and thanks to this we're
starting to see a bunch of new, potential "power" users coming into
the
fold - which is exactly what this community needs.
When I take a step back from what is going on in my regular work life
and concentrate on the mailing lists, my personal opinion is that
there
is a lot of baggin' on OFBiz going on around here! Most of the
people
around here are experienced developers who have worked on a number of
different open source projects, so I guess I'm a little surprised by
where things appear to be heading.
Without going into specifics and calling individual people out on the
carpet, I would like to have everyone just think about these things:
1. All committers and experienced OFBiz developers are all working
towards the same goal - to better the project.
2. When you're not finding something that you need, it's much more
effective to ask where things are found - rather than criticize the
current set up.
3. If something you want is not available, you can either head a
group
that wants to develop / document it, develop it yourself, or get
someone
more experienced in OFBiz to champion your cause.
4. If you NEED something committed back into OFBiz and are on a
strict
timeline, build in a small amount of funds to get a committer to look
at
it. Often times people are too busy with paying work to look over
EVERYTHING - cash can, at times change priorities for everyone. This
is
not to imply that being a committer is a paying gig - just that if
your
stuff is a priority more for you than the community, this can help.
5. It's far less stressful to try to get what you want than it is to
be
right! What I mean by this, is think about what you're saying and
how
you're saying it. It can go a long way towards getting you what you
really want.
Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope this helps people start to
structure their requests & needs in a way that motivates people to
help
them. We need everyone to come in and be productive community
members
so that we can all work more efficiently - let's see what we can do
to
rally around the project!
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
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