I agree that there are many more issues than contributors. But I also agree about the shortage of contributors who have time to review. When I first started using OFBiz, I submitted two very small patches and they were quickly included. But the third thing, which was a lot more complex, is still sitting in JIRA unassigned, and my last post on it never received a reply.
We have used the patch locally for many months now without problems, but I am not going to waste more time hassling a commiter (all of them naturally very busy people) to look at it. So now, when I have several other things I might contribute, creating a JIRA for them always stays at the bottom of my pile. cameron ----- Original Message ---- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 11 April, 2007 1:05:26 PM Subject: user Digest 11 Apr 2007 11:05:26 -0000 Issue 326 user Digest 11 Apr 2007 11:05:26 -0000 Issue 326 Topics (messages 5104 through 5121): leaving ofbiz for a while 5104 by: Christopher Snow 5105 by: Chris Howe 5106 by: David E. Jones 5107 by: Shi Jinghai 5108 by: Scott Gray 5110 by: Christopher Snow 5111 by: Christopher Snow 5113 by: Jonathon -- Improov 5117 by: Scott Gray 5120 by: Jacques Le Roux How to develope new apps 5109 by: zzf 5112 by: G.Venkata Phanindra 5114 by: zzf 5115 by: Gautam Deb 5118 by: Scott Gray 5121 by: zzf how to use mssql database in ofbiz 5116 by: zzf how does the derby work in ofbiz 5119 by: zzf Administrivia: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, e-mail: [email protected] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before getting to find what I needed). Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf See you in a few months ... -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Hi Christopher, I'm sorry to hear of your frustrations. I think most people who frequent the lists will be disappointed to read your message as we all put in quite a bit of time to help grow the community by pointing people in the direction of the resources they seek or in answering a direct question head on. I might suspect that the mailing lists were broken as well if it weren't for the 30+ messages I receive a day from them. Looking through the archive, I can't see too many of your questions that went unanswered from myself, much less from someone else in the community. So, I'm at a bit of a loss as to how we can prevent users like yourself from becoming disenchanted with the project. If you have suggestions, I would certainly enjoy reading them. In any event, thank you for putting together your notes and making them available for others. I look forward to pointing people in it's direction so that they may learn from your experiences. Hopefully the break will be a short one and you can come back and reap the benefits of the project and we will, in turn, be able to reap the benefits of your contributions. Good Luck! Chris --- Christopher Snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole process > > very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a lot of > effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe my emails > > are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working (what about > lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving my > > way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before getting > > to find what I needed). > > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > > See you in a few months ... > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > Christopher, It's really great to see people interested in working on documentation, especially interested enough to actually put something together like this. I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many thousands of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation. The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part of something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the combined effort will result in something great. -David On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole > process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a > lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe > my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working > (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving > my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before > getting to find what I needed). > > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > > See you in a few months ... > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > Sailing, wiki or blog. I think this is the most effective way at current period. Good luck, Shi Jinghai/Beijing Langhua Ltd. 在 2007-04-11三的 06:42 +0100，Christopher Snow写道： > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole process > very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a lot of > effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe my emails > are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working (what about > lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving my > way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before getting > to find what I needed). > > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > > See you in a few months ... > Hi All, Whenever I come across something new while looking at the code or reading the mailing lists, my thoughts usually run along these lines: 1. I think I'll add that to the docs 2. Where shall I put it? 3. I/We need to create a better structure 4. I don't think I have the time or "big picture knowledge" to do this 5. I need to get back to what I was doing And then I leave it at that I think if we had a relatively full table of contents as a starting point it would be much easier to add snippets here and there with out them being disorganized and hard to find. Then the hard work would be in cleaning the pages up every now and again rather than deciding where to put things. Regards Scott On 11/04/07, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Christopher, > > It's really great to see people interested in working on > documentation, especially interested enough to actually put something > together like this. > > I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else > interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the > most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what > exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of > documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many thousands > of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation. > > The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on > existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a > reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously > dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part of > something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the > combined effort will result in something great. > > -David > > > On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > > > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole > > process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a > > lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe > > my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working > > (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > > > > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving > > my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before > > getting to find what I needed). > > > > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > > > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > > > > See you in a few months ... > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > David, I was trying to improve the documentation incrementally... In effect, I was taking the existing documentation and improving it by digesting and understanding the material, filling the holes and presenting it in a flow suitable for learning. The problem I had was getting the answers to fill the holes! With the framework intro videos, you have provided a path to guide new users through learning ofbiz. Paths are very important to new users. With the book, I was trying to provide a path also, but with more detail and it could also have been used as a reference. The videos aren't very useful as a reference, and the existing documentation is too scattered (especially without the path). Maybe there should be a mailing list dedicated to the documentation effort. That way people like me could compile the documentation by asking questions, and people who know the answers could pop in to answer them? Cheers, Chris On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:38 -0600, David E. Jones wrote: > Christopher, > > It's really great to see people interested in working on > documentation, especially interested enough to actually put something > together like this. > > I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else > interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the > most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what > exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of > documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many thousands > of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation. > > The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on > existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a > reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously > dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part of > something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the > combined effort will result in something great. > > -David > > > On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > > > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole > > process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a > > lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe > > my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working > > (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > > > > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving > > my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before > > getting to find what I needed). > > > > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > > > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > > > > See you in a few months ... > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > Scott, I think a detailed TOC is required, here is something I started: http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/Book_TOC.png Cheers. Chris On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 19:50 +1200, Scott Gray wrote: > Hi All, > > Whenever I come across something new while looking at the code or reading > the mailing lists, my thoughts usually run along these lines: > 1. I think I'll add that to the docs > 2. Where shall I put it? > 3. I/We need to create a better structure > 4. I don't think I have the time or "big picture knowledge" to do this > 5. I need to get back to what I was doing > And then I leave it at that > > I think if we had a relatively full table of contents as a starting point it > would be much easier to add snippets here and there with out them being > disorganized and hard to find. Then the hard work would be in cleaning the > pages up every now and again rather than deciding where to put things. > > Regards > Scott > > On 11/04/07, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Christopher, > > > > It's really great to see people interested in working on > > documentation, especially interested enough to actually put something > > together like this. > > > > I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else > > interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the > > most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what > > exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of > > documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many thousands > > of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation. > > > > The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on > > existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a > > reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously > > dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part of > > something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the > > combined effort will result in something great. > > > > -David > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > > > > > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > > > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > > > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > > > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole > > > process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a > > > lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe > > > my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working > > > (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > > > > > > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > > > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > > > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > > > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > > > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving > > > my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before > > > getting to find what I needed). > > > > > > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > > > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > > > > > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > > > > > > See you in a few months ... > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > > Scott, I don't know if you meant those 5 steps as a confession of sorts. If so, I'll add that I am personally guilty of those. No time, no impetus. As I told Chris Snow before, I read the codes easily enough. Eg. if I had a question about JobManager, it just takes me 5 minutes read the answer from the source codes. Horrible folks like me don't bother much with documenting OFBiz. By the way, I also find it difficult to merge in my enhancements into OFBiz. No time. So how many committers are there now? Actually, the better question is, how many contribution reviewers do we have? Jonathon Scott Gray wrote: > Hi All, > > Whenever I come across something new while looking at the code or reading > the mailing lists, my thoughts usually run along these lines: > 1. I think I'll add that to the docs > 2. Where shall I put it? > 3. I/We need to create a better structure > 4. I don't think I have the time or "big picture knowledge" to do this > 5. I need to get back to what I was doing > And then I leave it at that > > I think if we had a relatively full table of contents as a starting > point it > would be much easier to add snippets here and there with out them being > disorganized and hard to find. Then the hard work would be in cleaning the > pages up every now and again rather than deciding where to put things. > > Regards > Scott > > On 11/04/07, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Christopher, >> >> It's really great to see people interested in working on >> documentation, especially interested enough to actually put something >> together like this. >> >> I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else >> interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the >> most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what >> exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of >> documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many thousands >> of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation. >> >> The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on >> existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a >> reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously >> dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part of >> something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the >> combined effort will result in something great. >> >> -David >> >> >> On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: >> >> > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some >> > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed >> > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot >> > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole >> > process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a >> > lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe >> > my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working >> > (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? >> > >> > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent >> > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide >> > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your >> > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had >> > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving >> > my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before >> > getting to find what I needed). >> > >> > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an >> > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. >> > >> > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf >> > >> > See you in a few months ... >> > >> > -- >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> > believed to be clean. >> > >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 > 10:44 PM Hi Jonathon, I guess you could call it a confession, I just wanted to mention a difficulty that I had and I what I thought might make it easier. I'm surprised at time being the factor behind you not contributing your code, I have always believed that you save time by getting your code into the trunk. Once it's in the trunk you no longer have to deal with conflicts and you are no longer the only one charged with improving the code, it also opens your code to review which may help improve the implementation itself. I think we have enough contribution reviewers, the shortage is in actual contributions. There are plenty of bug reports, wishlists and experiments in jira but not a great deal of contributions awaiting review. Regards Scott On 11/04/07, Jonathon -- Improov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott, > > I don't know if you meant those 5 steps as a confession of sorts. If so, > I'll add that I am > personally guilty of those. > > No time, no impetus. > > As I told Chris Snow before, I read the codes easily enough. Eg. if I had > a question about > JobManager, it just takes me 5 minutes read the answer from the source > codes. Horrible folks like > me don't bother much with documenting OFBiz. > > By the way, I also find it difficult to merge in my enhancements into > OFBiz. No time. So how many > committers are there now? Actually, the better question is, how many > contribution reviewers do we > have? > > Jonathon > > Scott Gray wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Whenever I come across something new while looking at the code or > reading > > the mailing lists, my thoughts usually run along these lines: > > 1. I think I'll add that to the docs > > 2. Where shall I put it? > > 3. I/We need to create a better structure > > 4. I don't think I have the time or "big picture knowledge" to do this > > 5. I need to get back to what I was doing > > And then I leave it at that > > > > I think if we had a relatively full table of contents as a starting > > point it > > would be much easier to add snippets here and there with out them being > > disorganized and hard to find. Then the hard work would be in cleaning > the > > pages up every now and again rather than deciding where to put things. > > > > Regards > > Scott > > > > On 11/04/07, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Christopher, > >> > >> It's really great to see people interested in working on > >> documentation, especially interested enough to actually put something > >> together like this. > >> > >> I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else > >> interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the > >> most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what > >> exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of > >> documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many thousands > >> of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation. > >> > >> The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on > >> existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a > >> reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously > >> dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part of > >> something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the > >> combined effort will result in something great. > >> > >> -David > >> > >> > >> On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > >> > >> > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > >> > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > >> > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > >> > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole > >> > process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a > >> > lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe > >> > my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working > >> > (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > >> > > >> > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > >> > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > >> > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > >> > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > >> > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving > >> > my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before > >> > getting to find what I needed). > >> > > >> > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > >> > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > >> > > >> > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > >> > > >> > See you in a few months ... > >> > > >> > -- > >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and > >> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >> > believed to be clean. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 > 10:44 PM > > Chris, The ML for documentation sounds like a good idea IMHO but if the user ML did not succeed for you why this new ML would ? Did you try (ie buy) the Advanced Framework Training Videos from David ? For me they are of great value. And I understand that David does not want to give for free all the work he did on them. Though I remember that he explained, when he first spoke about it, that perhaps in a future he will open these videos. I guess he wait to earn enough money from them before opening them. Remember, it's "open source" not "work for free" ;o) Btw I hope I will find some time to work on your http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz-forms.odt I began also to work on FAQ/Cookbook http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Cookbook+%28work+in+progress%29 inspirated http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=FAQ from and http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/tutorials.php (OFBiz Cookbooks part) My hope is to compile these works in one only place. But I'm not sure Open Source Strategy agrees on this. They did not reply on my previous demand, so I stopped this work for now. I will put at least links though ! You http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/Book_TOC.png is interesting too, thanks ! Jacques ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Christopher Snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : mercredi 11 avril 2007 10:10 Objet : Re: leaving ofbiz for a while > David, > > I was trying to improve the documentation incrementally... > > In effect, I was taking the existing documentation and improving it by > digesting and understanding the material, filling the holes and > presenting it in a flow suitable for learning. The problem I had was > getting the answers to fill the holes! > > With the framework intro videos, you have provided a path to guide new > users through learning ofbiz. Paths are very important to new users. > With the book, I was trying to provide a path also, but with more detail > and it could also have been used as a reference. The videos aren't very > useful as a reference, and the existing documentation is too scattered > (especially without the path). > > Maybe there should be a mailing list dedicated to the documentation > effort. That way people like me could compile the documentation by > asking questions, and people who know the answers could pop in to answer > them? > > Cheers, > > Chris > > On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:38 -0600, David E. Jones wrote: > > Christopher, > > > > It's really great to see people interested in working on > > documentation, especially interested enough to actually put something > > together like this. > > > > I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else > > interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the > > most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what > > exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of > > documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many thousands > > of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation. > > > > The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on > > existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a > > reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously > > dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part of > > something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the > > combined effort will result in something great. > > > > -David > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > > > > > For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some > > > technical documentation on ofbiz. I wanted the book to be detailed > > > and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a lot > > > of my questions on the mailing lists. I have found the whole > > > process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend a > > > lot of effort working things out by looking through code. Maybe > > > my emails are too rude? Maybe the mailing lists aren't working > > > (what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)? > > > > > > Eclipse BIRT have got it right. They have provided an excellent > > > users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide > > > (integrating and extending BIRT). That really ramps up your > > > knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code. With ofbiz, I've had > > > to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving > > > my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before > > > getting to find what I needed). > > > > > > Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but an > > > awful lot of work is needed to finish it off. > > > > > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf > > > > > > See you in a few months ... > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > > believed to be clean. > > > > > Hi all, I am a new learner of OFBiz, and want to develope a new app using the mssql database. I developed a app in OFBiz long time ago( may be August, 2005 ). The matter is that it does not work now. So could anyone can give me any suggestion? Or give some info about learing how to do that. Thanks a lot! -- Sincerely, Computer Science, Ocean University of China phone: +86 135 5300 3657 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelin. Hi Can u please more specific with the problem, Your mail is too vague to help.The exact problem u explain, u can expect support. Regards Phani On 4/11/07, zzf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am a new learner of OFBiz, and want to develope a new app using the > mssql database. I developed a app in OFBiz long time ago( may be > August, 2005 ). The matter is that it does not work now. > > So could anyone can give me any suggestion? Or give some info about > learing how to do that. > > Thanks a lot! > > -- > Sincerely, > > Computer Science, Ocean University of China > phone: +86 135 5300 3657 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Kelin. > -- G.Venkata Phanindra Mob:: 9849852989 Hi Phani, Now I am working under ofbiz with the revision number of 527444. Long time before i worked under ofbiz, and developped my own web application, it was part of a CRM system. When i transfer this web application into the newer revision, it does not work. The database i use is mssql. Have i described clearly and could you please help me out? Thanks. On 4/11/07, G.Venkata Phanindra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > Can u please more specific with the problem, Your mail is too vague to > help.The exact problem u explain, u can expect support. > Regards > Phani > > On 4/11/07, zzf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am a new learner of OFBiz, and want to develope a new app using the > > mssql database. I developed a app in OFBiz long time ago( may be > > August, 2005 ). The matter is that it does not work now. > > > > So could anyone can give me any suggestion? Or give some info about > > learing how to do that. > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > > > Computer Science, Ocean University of China > > phone: +86 135 5300 3657 > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Kelin. > > > > > > -- > G.Venkata Phanindra > Mob:: 9849852989 > -- Sincerely, Computer Science, Ocean University of China phone: +86 135 5300 3657 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelin. To start with ofbiz, I found these links useful http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world1.php http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world2.php http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world3.php http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_svn_fixes.php http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams Regards, Gautam Deb zzf wrote: Hi all, I am a new learner of OFBiz, and want to develope a new app using the mssql database. I developed a app in OFBiz long time ago( may be August, 2005 ). The matter is that it does not work now. So could anyone can give me any suggestion? Or give some info about learing how to do that. Thanks a lot! If you post actual errors you getting or specific problems you are encountering, people may be able to guide you in the right direction. Regards Scott On 11/04/07, Gautam Deb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To start with ofbiz, I found these links useful > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world1.php > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world2.php > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world3.php > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_svn_fixes.php > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams > > Regards, > Gautam Deb > > > zzf wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am a new learner of OFBiz, and want to develope a new app using the > mssql database. I developed a app in OFBiz long time ago( may be > August, 2005 ). The matter is that it does not work now. > > So could anyone can give me any suggestion? Or give some info about > learing how to do that. > > Thanks a lot! > > > Hi, The error msg is as follows: [java] Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: sun.rmi.tran sport.ObjectTable.getStub(Ljava/rmi/Remote;)Ljava/rmi/server/RemoteStub; [java] at org.objectweb.carol.rmi.jrmp.server.JUnicastRemoteObject.unex portObject(JUnicastRemoteObject.java:138) [java] at org.objectweb.carol.rmi.multi.JrmpPRODelegate.unexportObject( JrmpPRODelegate.java:94) [java] at org.objectweb.carol.rmi.multi.MultiPRODelegate.unexportObject (MultiPRODelegate.java:132) [java] at javax.rmi.PortableRemoteObject.unexportObject (PortableRemoteO bject.java:119) [java] at org.objectweb.jotm.SubCoordinator.doAfterCompletion (SubCoordi nator.java:1548) [java] at org.objectweb.jotm.SubCoordinator.doCommit( SubCoordinator.jav a:1141) [java] at org.objectweb.jotm.SubCoordinator.commit_one_phase (SubCoordin ator.java:468) [java] at org.objectweb.jotm.TransactionImpl.commit( TransactionImpl.jav a:224) [java] at org.objectweb.jotm.Current.commit(Current.java:479) [java] at org.ofbiz.entity.transaction.TransactionUtil.commit (Transacti onUtil.java:193) [java] at org.ofbiz.entity.transaction.TransactionUtil.commit (Transacti onUtil.java:173) [java] at org.ofbiz.entity.GenericDelegator.findCountByCondition (Generi cDelegator.java:1982) [java] at org.ofbiz.entity.GenericDelegator.findCountByAnd (GenericDeleg ator.java:1943) [java] at org.ofbiz.entity.util.EntityCrypto.<init>( EntityCrypto.java:7 2) [java] at org.ofbiz.entity.GenericDelegator.<init>( GenericDelegator.jav a:215) [java] at org.ofbiz.entity.GenericDelegator.getGenericDelegator (Generic Delegator.java:138) [java] at org.ofbiz.entityext.data.EntityDataLoadContainer.start (Entity DataLoadContainer.java:178) [java] at org.ofbiz.base.container.ContainerLoader.start (ContainerLoade r.java:89) [java] at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startStartLoaders(Start.java :272) [java] at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startServer(Start.java:323) [java] at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.start(Start.java:327) [java] at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.main(Start.java:413) The ofbiz of this error msg is a little old(checked out 1 year ago ). I do not if it is the problem of jdk. My jdk version is 1.5.0_06. Thanks a lot. On 4/11/07, Scott Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you post actual errors you getting or specific problems you are > encountering, people may be able to guide you in the right direction. > > Regards > Scott > > On 11/04/07, Gautam Deb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > To start with ofbiz, I found these links useful > > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world1.php > > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world2.php > > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_world3.php > > http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/hello_svn_fixes.php > > > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams > > > > Regards, > > Gautam Deb > > > > > > zzf wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am a new learner of OFBiz, and want to develope a new app using the > > mssql database. I developed a app in OFBiz long time ago( may be > > August, 2005 ). The matter is that it does not work now. > > > > So could anyone can give me any suggestion? Or give some info about > > learing how to do that. > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > > > -- Sincerely, Computer Science, Ocean University of China phone: +86 135 5300 3657 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelin. Hi all, I want to use mssql database in ofbiz instead of derby. What should i do then? Can anyone give any info about that? Thanks a lot for you all. -- Sincerely, Computer Science, Ocean University of China phone: +86 135 5300 3657 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelin. Hi all, The default database of ofbiz is the java database derby. I check out the newest version of ofbiz to my pc. It can work well. But my question is that: how does it work? What forms of the data is accessed? I know little about the entity engine. But i can make out the whole thing. Can anyone tell about it? Thanks a lot for you all! -- Sincerely, Computer Science, Ocean University of China phone: +86 135 5300 3657 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelin. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
