Re: leaving ofbiz for a while

[Tim Ruppert]

David has let everyone know that there are updated documents, etc that are available on the undersun site (soon to be HotWax Media!). As for upgrade path, those who bought them in the past get a very substantial savings on the new videos.

Chris, I hope that helps.

Cheers,
Tim
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On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:

Jacques,


from undersun.  Thanks for pointing out that the old videos have been

That explains a lot of my frustration...

Undersun,

Is it worth a mailshot to all the other customers who bought the old
videos to let them know there is much better training material
available?  Is there an upgrade path?

Many thanks,

Chris




On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 12:11 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

I tried learning ofbiz from the *old* advanced framework training videos superceeded and much improved with the new ones available from undersun.

Chris,


did not succeed for you why this new ML would ?


For me they are of great value. And I understand that David does not
want to give for free all the work he did on them. Though I remember
that he explained, when he first spoke about it, that perhaps in a

from them before opening them. Remember, it's "open source" not "work
for free" ;o)

Btw I hope I will find some time to work on your
http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz-forms.odt

I began also to work on FAQ/Cookbook

The ML for documentation sounds like a good idea IMHO but if the user ML Did you try (ie buy) the Advanced Framework Training Videos from David ? future he will open these videos. I guess he wait to earn enough money http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Cookbook+%28work+in +progress%29 inspirated http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=FAQ from and http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/tutorials.php (OFBiz Cookbooks

part)
My hope is to compile these works in one only place. But I'm not sure

!

You http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/Book_TOC.png is
interesting too, thanks !

Jacques

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De : "Christopher Snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
À : <user@ofbiz.apache.org>
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Objet : Re: leaving ofbiz for a while

Open Source Strategy agrees on this. They did not reply on my previous demand, so I stopped this work for now. I will put at least links though

David,

I was trying to improve the documentation incrementally...


digesting and understanding the material, filling the holes and

getting the answers to fill the holes!

With the framework intro videos, you have provided a path  to guide

In effect, I was taking the existing documentation and improving it by presenting it in a flow suitable for learning. The problem I had was

new

users through learning ofbiz. Paths are very important to new users.

With the book, I was trying to provide a path also, but with more

detail

and it could also have been used as a reference.  The videos aren't

very

useful as a reference, and the existing documentation is too scattered

(especially without the path).

Maybe there should be a mailing list dedicated to the documentation
effort.  That way people like me could compile the documentation by
asking questions, and people who know the answers could pop in to

answer

them?

Cheers,

Chris

On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:38 -0600, David E. Jones wrote:

Christopher,

It's really great to see people interested in working on
documentation, especially interested enough to actually put

something

together like this.

I'd like to make a small suggestion, for you and for anyone else
interested in a documentation effort: just as with source code, the
most effective way to work on documentation is to start with what
exists and work on improving it incrementally. There is a lot of
documentation on the docs.ofbiz.org site, and room for many

thousands

of hours of work to improve and flesh out that documentation.

The great thing about helping with incremental improvements on
existing documents (even if the incremental improvement means a
reorganization or refacturing or the like; though that is obviously
dangerous when just starting out) is that your efforts become part

of

something bigger, and with enough people doing this eventually the
combined effort will result in something great.

-David


On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:

For the past few months, I have been trying to put together some
technical documentation on ofbiz.  I wanted the book to be

detailed

and accurate, but I have found it difficult to get answers to a

lot

of my questions on the mailing lists.  I have found the whole
process very tiring, and wasteful of time as I am having to spend

a

lot of effort working things out by looking through code.   Maybe
my emails are too rude?  Maybe the mailing lists aren't working
(what about lists for tech-user, functional-user, dev, docs)?

Eclipse BIRT have got it right.  They have provided an excellent
users manual (field guide) and an excellent developers guide
(integrating and extending BIRT).  That really ramps up your
knowledge of BIRT before looking at the code.  With ofbiz, I've

had

to pretty much dive straight into the code (and spend time weaving
my way through classpath loaders, container loaders, etc, before
getting to find what I needed).

Anyway, I've uploaded my scribbles if anyone finds it useful but

an

awful lot of work is needed to finish it off.

http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/1218/ofbiz_tech.pdf

See you in a few months ...

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