David, we did a number of pilots with GWT (and other frameworks) in OFBiz and were much happier with the dojo toolkit. The GWT, while having the bonus of being able to do everything in java, also required a bit more of a tight coupling with the HTML - which in my mind - made it less desirable.

JSON is there in case you can show us all a better way of handling it! Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Tim
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On Apr 24, 2007, at 7:06 AM, David Goodenough wrote:

Jonathon,

Probably the best approach would be to write an xslt script which would
parse the OfBiz XML descriptors and generate skeleton code which could
then be subclassed to put in specific processing (it may be possible to generate the whole thing, I have not looked closely enough). I am thinking of something like the juic system used by QtJambi - the new Java binding for Qt that Trolltech have currently in beta (juic was actually originally
part of kdebindings but that is another story).

It may sound odd, but actually it is best not to think about HTML and
Javascript when coding GWT, it just complicates things. You can include explicit HTML or Javascript if necessary, but it is better to start from the position of doing it natively in GWT. It may be necessary (or desirable) to write some GWT code to emulate specific OfBiz widgets, I have not looked
closely enough to find out.

David

On Tuesday 24 April 2007 13:22, Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
David,

Seems to me the GWT will generate both the HTML (events) and the Javascript (event handlers). Is that correct? If so, I'd have to somehow translate the HTML output to OFBiz widgets. Still, GWT's support for coding in Java is
cool.

Yes, OFBiz supports JSON (via json-lib). I've been using it often in Ajax
work with OFBiz.

Jonathon

David Goodenough wrote:
You ask about whether there are Javascript experts around. Of course if you were to use GWT (Google Widget Toolkit), you do the programming in Java and it is translated into Javascript. That way you get all the
strict typing of Java but the implementation on the browser without
addons. GWT is of course now entirely open source and integrated into
Eclipse quite easily.

As I read it much of what is needed for using GWT is already present in Ofbiz, GWT can use JSON as its comms protocol and I think I am right in saying that JSON is supported by Ofbiz. You could use SOAP but JSON is lighter weight and as the execution environment is javascript is the more native protocol. GWT does have its own RPC protocol as well, in which case you would have to write the server end in its environment, but there is no requirement to use it, JSON (or even native HTTP) will do perfectly
well.

David

On Tuesday 24 April 2007 04:33, Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
I was actually looking to pump in my enhancements to the Widget module.
I've incorporated some Ajax-facilitating or Ajax-related features
directly into the Widget module, so I won't have to do HUGE .ftl (s).

Imagine being able to use and reuse a widget-screen for 2 (or more)
purposes: non-ajax operation and ajax operation (pulling down various
sub-sub-parts of the screen).

In general, I was able to make all listings screens (with the Prev/Next
hrefs) load via Ajax.

But be warned that this Ajax approach, if carried further, could hark back to those times when you programmed Java AWTs for rich UIs (events and concurrency). Except there's lots of javascript involved in this
case, not Java, and bad news is there's no concurrency controls in
javascript. Which means, prepare to get wickedly good at acrobatics in javascript (obscure acquired taste, really), or deal with the potential
mess and meltdown. Please let me know if there's any experts in
javascript OO and programming here.

I'm willing to help with Ajax-ing OFBiz. Just let me know if the "nice addition" Andrew's talking about will go into Opentaps or OFBiz, and I'll follow. I only need to know if there's any anti-trust case against
the body I'm contributing to.

Jonathon

Andrew Zeneski wrote:
This sounds like it will be a nice addition to OFBiz, I can't wait to
see the progress!

Andrew

On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Si Chen wrote:
If there are any developers interested in working on a CRM system, we're looking for more help here at Open Source Strategies. We have both full-time openings and part-time paid opportunities, and you can work from home and set your own hours. You'll have a chance to work with us on a combination of client projects, our open source products,
and just cool stuff you're interested in.
We're especially looking for developers with strong familiarity with
the following areas (though not necessarily just these):

1.  Front end development and Ajax
2. Integration with external devices, such as mobile phones, handheld
devices, etc.
3.  Analytics and reporting

If you're interested, please drop me a note off the list.

Scott A wrote:
David,

Like I said, I am a user plain and simple so I can’t get into all of the technical side of things. All I know is that I would like a CRM
portion of
ofbiz similar to how Sugar CRM works but with a good and solid email
client
built in. I guess it would take someone with the interest and
technical ability to put the requirements together first.

That said, I can only contribute with my wants and needs and some
cash. I'd
be willing to throw $1000 into the hat to get this type of
functionality.

Where do I go from here?

David E. Jones-2 wrote:
On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Scott A wrote:
I have some help from some service providers setting up the system
and we've
already started to work on the gui which includes Ajax for easier
use. There
are also many other options I'd like to have for my business and
that hopefully I could give back to the ofbiz community too.

Do you guys have any kind of bounty system or a wish list where
likeminded
people could collaborate and get things done at a quicker pace?

For example, I'd like to see a good CRM in the core of ofbiz with
something
like zimbra being used for the calendaring and email. If this were
even
feasible and there were likeminded people who would be interested,
then we
could pool our resources and time, etc.

Any suggestions?

We don't have a bounty and bid system setup right now, but
hopefully soon or at some point some commercial entity in the OFBiz community will do just that. It is something we have talked about,
and even  using OFBiz to manage it, since about year 2 of the
project and I  think it would be a really great thing for the
project, and for  everyone who participates in both funding and
developing different  things.

Right now the best thing to do is send a message to this list or the dev list to see if anyone is interested in collaborating on this and has enough of a business requirement for it to at least
help to fund  involvement on their side.

My guess for something this specific and yet large in scope (ie in terms of the amount of work required, probably a few weeks worth)
no  one will be able to participate for the "fun of it".

Who knows.... maybe someone will step up and agree with you on how
cool it would be and start banging on it with you.

-David

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