Walter, OK, thanks this is more clear :o)
De : "Walter Vaughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > >I'm not sure to see the frontier here... > > > > > Except in the edge case, I don't see how many people who are at the > level of being able to install and operate SugarCRM could do the same > thing with OFBiz. And moving it up a level, compare installing a demo > version of OFBiz with downloading and installing the Microsoft Dynamics > GP 10 demo. Or staying closer to open source, installing postBooks > (http://www.xtuple.com/postbooks). Sorry, I have not time to MS or even postBooks. I installed SugarCRM last year though (never found time to seriously use it) and I agree that this was pretty easy. I don't remember if I had to install easyPHP before. But is installing and then using OFBiz OOTB so different and difficult ? Of course you have to install Java 1.5+ before, but even on a Linux system it's easy (I'm mostly a Windows User ;p) Then you run ant-install, then startofbiz and then ... you discover that OFBiz is not as simple as SugarCRM :o) As Jacopo (and others) explained the point is not installing but using it in real business conditions. At this point you have to have a deeper knwoledge on business ans tech. aspects and I'm not sure the average SUgarCRM user (or such package) have such a knowledge. Do we really want to support this level of knwoledge and help this kind of people (nothing pejorative here) grabs OFBiz and for which goals ? This is the real question ! > My point is that if it's an OOTB solution as the goal or even a forked > goal of the community, then last March when the 4.0 release was created, > some effort should have gone into consistent user interfaces, > installation wizards, documentation, manuals. We could all benefit from such efforts. I completly agree and moreover I'm already working on it, day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, and by chance I'm not alone :o)... > The communty voted with > its keyboards to instead add hundreds of new features to the trunk > instead. Given that the number of bug fixes that have gone into the 4.0 > release can be measured by a human hand testifies that the community is > addicted to features. NOT THAT IT'S A BAD THING :) I must admit that I even have difficulties to follow all what is happening this last weeks in OFBiz. But don't we need a better accouting and project manager components ? > Me, I've always thought it should be as easy to install OFBiz as any top > line .php application that asks a few (or as many as is needed) > questions, confirms and configures itself, and is ready to operate > within minutes, I reckon OFBIz is already able to propose that using Derby OOTB. Though you may prefer to install Postgres to quickerly (more quickly?) run ant-install. >and the configurator be re-entrant to allow > configuration changes in the future and also suggest settings for > certain conditions. This is the discussion Adrian launched, where a back at it, lot of words for nothing ;o) ? Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a Wizard configurator, but we can't ignore the issues David pointed out (overidding parameters, with concurrent accesses) ! Jacques > -- > Walter "rambling post" Vaughan >
