Hi David,
David E Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:59 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> There are a couple of ways to look at this.
> if someone is benefiting financially from The product, it would seem
> those same people could share thier knowledge of how the OTTB system
> works.
I assume you mean "OOTB" (Out-Of-The-Box) and not OTTB (not sure what
that is).
In any case, I may be wrong but I'm not aware of anyone who benefits
financially from OFBiz except the end-users of the software, and they
only benefit financially if they save on licensing fees or
customization effort relative to other options they might have.
Actually, there is one exception I can think of where a company in
Canada tried to sell OFBiz pretty must as-is but under a different
name. I got some interesting messages from a couple of their ticked
off clients...
There are many service providers, but they don't benefit financially
from OFBiz itself, they benefit financially from their knowledge of
OFBiz. What's worse is that hourly effort is actually required in
order to leverage that knowledge to make money, which is difficult to
scale and make profitable.
So, don't kid yourself about anyone getting a free ride of some sort
based on OFBiz...
> This allowing more people to use the system an probably build more
> customers that want to customize.
Let's be realistic about this...
For each thing someone wants done they either need to do it themselves
or get someone else to do it. If you want to learn all about OFBiz and
how to manipulate it then doing it yourself and interacting with the
community is the way to go. If you want someone else to do it then the
community does do you any good, unless the people you get to do the
work can effectively collaborate with the community to reduce the
overall effort required.
If people aren't willing to dive in and understand whatever they can
and ask directed and well-informed questions, they're going to have a
hard time with the DIY (do-it-yourself) approach, and will have a hard
time interacting with the community.
Anyway who thinks they can get someone else to do it by asking for
free work from other community members will probably be disappointed,
unless they just happen to have good timing and someone is working on
something similar anyway.
> and I think it is fair that the knowledgeable people can also say it
> does not work that way but contact us and we can work out a deal to
> make
> it work that way.
The DIY approach is perfectly valid, and you'll notice that those who
are serious about this approach get a lot of help and support on the
mailing list. For everyone else, they're going to have a hard time.
BTW, realistically unless this guy has a fairly sized project and some
serious cash there aren't many OFBiz service providers who will be
able to help him. It may be a case where the guy is trying to replace
a smaller solution for a total budget of like $20k, and chances are
unless they are doing really simple stuff and are willing to discover
a lot on their own, then OFBiz is not a good solution for them.
Will you elaborate more on this. Whats wrong in discovering a lot by oneself ?
I can explore the things and at the same time discuss it with the community, is
anything unethical I am doing. You are getting me wrong I am not compelling
anyone to code for me. I just want to share the working knowledge of OFBiz and
contribute back if I find something missing which is useful to me.
Thanks
Brijesh M.
Back to the topic of earning based on knowledge of OFBiz, but not
deriving income from OFBiz itself, that is turning into a great little
industry probably topping $100M per year right now (for service
providers and end-users I'm aware of to one extent or another anyway,
and realistically it's probably a lot bigger), and it's growing
rapidly. By sharing with the community and contributing to the project
one has the opportunity to demonstrate one's knowledge and experience,
and a lot of people do this and make good money because of it, though
usually not directly from the people they help through the community.
It's a great virtuous circle and lots of people benefit from it who
couldn't in other circumstances.
Does everyone get a free implementation of OFBiz or free features
added to the project? If only there was a Mark Shuttleworth for OFBiz
to make that possible, but until then this is a community-driven
project, and unfortunately pretty much everyone in the community has
to work for a living, and to be honest it's really working out well
that way. The project stays grounded in real world requirements
without a lot of "high falootin'" speculative implementation going on.
That's something that not many software packages benefit from.
-David
> David E Jones sent the following on 7/27/2008 12:17 PM:
>>
>> Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve
>> problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other
>> words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and
>> try to
>> understand them and the system better, then community may not work
>> for you.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>
>>> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the
>>> the market cornered.
>>> guess you got your answer.
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi BJ,
>>>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather
>>>>> the
>>>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion
>>>>> task
>>>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the
>>>>> intermediate
>>>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some
>>>>> way
>>>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it
>>>>> should
>>>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve
>>>>> it ?
>>>>
>>>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to
>>>> answer
>>>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you
>>>> can
>>>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their
>>>> experiences)
>>>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve
>>>> better
>>>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>>>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work
>>>> for...
>>>> Hotwax Media).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though
>>>>>> processes
>>>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> final
>>>>>> step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP) to the
>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this
>>>>>>> product(WIP) was
>>>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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