Hello Ryan, Jacques:
That is correct. I was referring to the ecommerce demo.
Again, thanks for engaging in this discussion.
That Anil is leading an initiative to clean up user facing components is
good news indeed!
I am keenly aware of the issues facing front-end developers. IMHO, one
of OFBiz's strengths is that the framework makes back-end development
relatively pain free. Relative to front-end development that is. I spend
much more time on front-end work whenever I implement a new project.
But, I'm willing to do this because I know with total conviction that
the back-end won't let me down. Thanks David, Andy, Jacques and
everyone else who have made this possible!
Regards,
Ruth
Ryan Foster wrote:
Jacques,
I believe Ruth is referring issues in the ecommerce demo in this
string rather than issues with any particular back office theme (is
that correct Ruth?). Anil is leading an initiative currently to clean
up a lot of these user facing components by removing deprecated
elements in the markup, consolidate and simplify styles and bring the
markup up to more modern web standards that accurately reflect Best
Practices that have been established in regards to HTML and CSS. As
this is currently an "in progress" initiative, I imagine that there
will be bugs/issues in the layout and Freemarker templates and
stylesheets are worked on. I don't think that this is necessarily an
indication of a lack of pride in ownership, but rather a natural part
of the front-end development process. With the vary large variety of
browser and operating environments, there are considerably more
variables in front-end development as opposed to backend-end
development, which at times can make the process more complex. To
echo your words (and I am not being condescending here, so please
don't take this the wrong way), there is simply not enough time is the
day to test every page in every browser, in every operating system.
In that case, I would echo Scott in encouraging everyone on this list
to report these issues as they are found so that they can be
identified, categorized and prioritized as this initiative progresses.
Thanks,
Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
[email protected]
On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Hi Jacques:
First, thanks for engaging in this discussion. As an outsider who
really cares about OFBiz, I find it disheartening that the project as
a whole does not have enough pride in ownership to at least validate
basic user facing components. I understand the project is growing and
that is a good thing. But I caution everyone, bigger (and more) is
not always better.
While discouraged I'm not going to stop promoting and using OFBiz.
IMHO, it is still unrivaled. These are but surface problems that need
attention - sooner rather than later. Since I am an outsider, this
list is one of the few mediums I have for voicing my concerns.
Sometimes, however, I feel as though I'm "spitting in the wind".
Second, I applaud all the work you and others have contributed
towards the betterment of the project. I continue to be amazed at the
dedication and commitment of many of the developers - you included!
Third, I have no problem with filing Jira issues. I have filed
several in the past. However, IMHO that is not going to solve this
particular problem. Neither is going back through the commits (as
David suggests) to identify the problematic code. IMHO, there is
something fundamentally wrong possibly with the planning process or
the manner in which commits are filed. I don't know.
Code validation and regression testing is a complex process that
needs to be addressed with some rigor if the community ever expects
to move ahead. I am available to help in anyway I can. But, I don't
see much discussion or activity in this direction.
As for your comment concerning the themes to use: my original
comments were directed towards the online demo which, if there is a
way to change the ecommerce product listing theme, it is not well
advertised.
Finally, I welcome any further discussion on quality control and
testing as I really do believe that OFBiz rocks! I want to see it
take its proper place in the world :-)
Regards,
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hi Ruth,
When you see an issue just drop a word about it in this ML with a
copy of the url of if you have enough time, please file a Jira.
It should not take too much time. I will also recommend you to use
the Flat Grey Theme or at least Blue Light one. Which browser are
you using ?
I suspect some issue with Bizness Time and I'd ask community if we
should revert the default to Flat Grey, at least in trunk ?
BTW I agree with you that some it's discouraging. For instance when
you want to apply a patch and have to fix 2 unrelated bugs before
being able to test it. Some time it's even your own bugs :D.
But at the same time, OFBiz is growing and we should not become
discouraged.
You may be interested by
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=project-12310500&periodName=daily&daysprevious=30&cumulative=true&showUnresolvedTrend=true&versionLabels=major&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.ext.charting%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
to follow how the project kee up with bugs (not only bugs much Jira
are)
Thanks
Jacques
From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[email protected]>
Hi Scott:
Sorry to say there isn't enough time in the day for me to report
all the rendering problems I see in this release. For example, try
adding a product to the cart and observe how the the shopping cart
summary links (on the right column) under "Cart Summary" overlap
each other. Or, attempt to do a quick checkout (without logging in)
and observe that the left column renders on the left bottom of the
page starting at a horizontal position below the right column -
leaving a huge empty white space between the left margin of the
browser and the right column.
I'm just a little discouraged at how little testing is done with
each new release. It seems to get worse and not better as time goes
on.
Regards,
Ruth
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Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
[email protected]
Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
http://www.myofbiz.com
Scott Gray wrote:
Hi Ruth
The demo is just a checkout of the trunk so the issue is for
whoever maintains OFBiz (the community) rather than the demo
server. Please feel free to create a jira issue for the problem.
Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 12/10/2009, at 11:23 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
To Whoever Maintains the Demo Server:
http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce
Try searching on GZ-BASKET and observe the results. Quick
synopsis of problem: The first entry is rendered properly but
then the subsequent results fall below both side bar columns
(regardless of how I resize my browser.) I can't capture a screen
shot of this because I am not able to display all entries within
the bounds of my 15" display.
I'm using Firefox 3.5.3 on a MAC 10.4
Regards,
Ruth
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Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
[email protected]
Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
http://www.myofbiz.com
