Thanks for the added insight. Looking forward to developers, who know how to use CSS, continuing to help make the project better. What we have today is amazingly more flexible and makes each and every theme developed on top of this system easier to use and program. As might be expected, the infinitely generic OOTB theme is not the one that most people roll out in production. I personally think these are small, because I actually understand the underlying technology and know where and how issues can be caused and fixed.

Ruth, you've been involved in the project for a really long time - and even at one point as a developer - and these issues plague you, right? Why not dive in and try some minor tweaks with CSS and let us know what you see on that small screen? I'd love to have some feedback from you and Jacques, to the dev list, about what happens when you change this CSS entry - it would be great to have a deeper level of testing out there that helps pinpoint the problems so we can fix them.

Back to you Florin - I'm standing pat on my point - the CSS and HTML in the current trunk are so far advanced beyond what as there before (that's right inline stylind and tables don't break) that I can't even put it to words. We'll keep fixing the issues as they come up and will take this project to the next level.

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

Hello Tim:
Please see my comments inline:

Tim Ruppert wrote:
Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more flexible, semantically correct, and allow you to move things around very easily with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the viewing of the site at 800x600 be the determining factor here - as that is not even on the radar as a viewport size that people use these days.
Maybe not for developers, but for every one person I know who uses a desktop with potentially larger "viewport sizes" as you call it, to access the Internet, I know 20 people who use laptops with small screens and small "viewports". And, those screens get smaller every day...Too bad because it is getting really hard for people like me to read all that text on such small screens.
It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring things down to a really small level, there is a bug which
It is not a "small" thing when we are talking about the landing page. The very first page you see when you go to the suggested link.
needs to be corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the foundation you are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds ahead of what is in either release branch. Please check out the trunk, and ask direct questions about places where you may see discrepancies. Where the project is headed - especially in contrast from where we came from - means we're trending in a positive direction.

I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased with the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport of over about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
Too bad I can't attach an image or two. I have a 22 inch monitor and no matter how wide I make the browser window, the "Contact Us" link (only one level "down" from the landing page) still renders below the bottom most pixel of the right most column. I guess my "testing" criteria is a little bit more exacting than yours. These kinds of "small" rendering problems were not an issue - regardless of the browser - in older 4.x versions.

Oh well...There I go "spitting in the wind" again :-(

Cheers,
Ruppert
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

Hello Ashish:
I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link. The 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly for at least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a word: "unprofessional".
Regards,
Ruth

Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
advanced in latest trunk revision.

To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following link.
http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main

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Ashish

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:


Hello all,

I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.

I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user interface?


Thanks,
Flopa






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