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Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi Tim: > Who would I send that email to? Who is "infra"? > Regards, > Ruth > > Tim Ruppert wrote: >> I'm sure we could extract some numbers out of Apache to find out some >> information about it - but since this is moving to an ASF server, the right >> thing would be for us to be talking about how we'd achieve this going >> forward if it's a requirement. There are tons of spikes - but since this is >> available without login - it gets spidered a lot and the numbers are >> sometimes not as accurate as we'd like. >> >> Ruth, you could send something to infra and ask if it's possible to hear >> about checkout numbers as well - that might be more possible. >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:42 PM, David E Jones wrote: >> >> >>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello David: >>>> >>>> Would it be possible to get download counts? >>>> >>> I don't know. That's not really my thing. >>> One big number is probably the SVN checkout and update loads, but I'm not >>> sure if those are available anywhere. That would be an ASF infra thing. >>> >>> For the other, the downloads are still on the build.ofbiz.org site which is >>> donated and managed by Hotwax Media and Contegix, so maybe someone involved >>> there could comment. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> >>>> Here's an interesting statistic I'd like to share with the list: Although >>>> I've only been providing my free download document for the last 5 months >>>> or so, I've seen more activity since the New Year (that would be in the >>>> last 18 days) then any other 2 months combined. By activity I mean a user >>>> fills out the survey and then downloads the free "Getting Started w/OFBiz >>>> in 5 Steps". That tells me there is interest out there. We just need to >>>> figure out what the "need" is and how to fill it with OFBiz. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz" >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and >>>>> maybe not a bad thing. >>>>> >>>>> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those >>>>> who have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a >>>>> return on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's >>>>> best to get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't >>>>> expect a return and aren't investing), and then get out when the market >>>>> is great (when others do expect a return and are investing a lot). >>>>> However, the same people will often fail to recognize that such >>>>> conditions are not only impossible to predict in the future, but also >>>>> impossible to recognize in the present, and they further fail to >>>>> recognize that the fact that they were able to invest in a low market and >>>>> get out when the market picked up was probably just the luck of timing. >>>>> Just ask any honest economist (if you can find one!)... they can't even >>>>> accurately analyze the present, let alone predict the future... even if >>>>> they are asked to every day. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity >>>>> in OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user >>>>> organizations have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes >>>>> sense because the sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from >>>>> my experience) are getting hit really hard right now and many companies >>>>> are not just cutting back, but totally failing. End-user organizations >>>>> have always been about 90% of my work, but are now down to 0%... and I >>>>> haven't designed or built anything for one in almost a year now. >>>>> Fortunately there are other types of companies out there, but one way or >>>>> another the demand for OFBiz is WAY down as the industries and sizes of >>>>> businesses it serves are hit so hard. >>>>> >>>>> From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a >>>>> company a non-profit community-driven open source project has no >>>>> liabilities and there is no way it can just disappear (unless no one is >>>>> using it, ie it falls into irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed >>>>> to get adequate donations of money or server time to keep hosting the >>>>> project, it could be hosted elsewhere, or even turn into some crazy peer >>>>> managed ecosystem using distributed git repositories (some people would >>>>> love that, but I think it would be a nightmare for both contributors and >>>>> users). >>>>> >>>>> In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a >>>>> little bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will >>>>> continue to invest in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an >>>>> investment that developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in >>>>> the future. If people don't feel much hope for that then chances are they >>>>> won't invest as much, and maybe just the hobbyists who want to develop >>>>> neat stuff will be contributing. >>>>> >>>>> Sooner or later things will of course pick up, and then we'll be back to >>>>> complaints about too much going into the project instead of complaints >>>>> about not enough. On the other hand, given an infinite potential universe >>>>> of things people might want to see in OFBiz, there will ALWAYS be >>>>> complaints about things missing that certain people would like to see, or >>>>> things organized better for their current requirements, or wishes for >>>>> free help instead of peer collaboration. >>>>> >>>>> Oh well, I guess enough pontificating for now, especially since I'm no >>>>> pontiff. >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> And then, those that invested much, slowly invest less... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman" <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The missing element is manpower. >>>>>>> Get lots of great Ideas but not many contributors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Axel Van Noten sent the following on 1/18/2010 6:58 AM: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, I learned a lot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. >>>>>>>> Would it be possible to: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) have it organised by release, >>>>>>>> 2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on >>>>>>>> ofbiz.apache.org), or the help button in the application, >>>>>>>> 3) have a clearer structure (per release) like: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Getting Started with OFBiz >>>>>>>> OFBiz End User Documentation >>>>>>>> OFBiz Reference Manual >>>>>>>> OFBiz Technical Guide >>>>>>>> OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a >>>>>>>> lot just by changing these links and making a different hierarchy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> Axel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From BJ Freeman <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject Re: OFBiz data load >>>>>>>> Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT >>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools >>>>>>>> here is a good link for a lot of help >>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo >>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Axel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) >>>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home >>>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) http://ofbiz.markmail.org/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM, axel van noten >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've been installing OFBiz and looking for the following information: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1) Where is the primary point can I find the most update >>>>>>>>>> documentation? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The documentation buton on the OFBiz website and the help button in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> application are both bringing me to the cwiki.apache site. But there >>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>> to be no clear structure nor a primary point where I can turn to for >>>>>>>>>> manuals >>>>>>>>>> and documentation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2) is there a possibility to perform a text search on this mailing >>>>>>>>>> list? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3) I'm trying to load a product database into OFBiz. What would be >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> appropriate way to do so? Is this documented somewhere? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Axel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Keep your friends updated�even when you�re not signed in. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_5:092010 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up >>>>>>>> to on Facebook. >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up >>>>>>>> to on Facebook. >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >
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