+1 - OS Commerce has a huge install base, but they are quickly migrating away.
Cheers, Ruppert On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Ruth, > > I bet OS Commerce will sink quickly because of Magento. We don't care about > legacy... OS Commerce is already history... > > Jacques > > From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rhoff...@aesolves.com> >> Hi Jacques: >> The fact remains that OS Commerce has a huge installed base and has a long >> way to fall before it passes OFBiz on the way down. >> Regards, >> Ruth >> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> This is so true (could be a testmonial on the corresponding wiki page, >>> though business level is required ;o), >>> but to grow faster we must convince PHBs not devs :/ >>> >>> On the other hand I believe that growing faster is not the right way to >>> think (look at what is happening to our world). Because I agree with your >>> arguments, I believe that when some other current "competitors" will have >>> disappeared (look at what is happenning to OS Commerce, if we could see it >>> as a competitor) OFBiz will still be there! >>> >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Milind Parikh" <milindpar...@gmail.com> >>>> ok.. here's my two cents... OfBiz is too complicated for the noobs. Ofbiz >>>> is >>>> an extremely powerful framework. But with power comes responsibility. You >>>> should be expected to spend 200-400 hours in understanding ofBiz., Anyone >>>> who has dealt with commercial ERP (some of my "favorite" vendors come to >>>> mind) would tell you that this is a awesome deal. Let me not even mention >>>> what the other "vendors" make you go through. >>>> >>>> Newbies (as opposed to noobs) will figure it out. ok.. a link is missing >>>> here and there..so what ? Build a distribution of oFbiz on AWS or something >>>> and then you won't need to rely on this infrastructure; if that is your >>>> pain >>>> (it certainly is NOT mine). >>>> >>>> I believe that ofbiz is much better than the rest of the open source erps. >>>> It is a lot easier to integrate and has a well thought out framework. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> -- Milind >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Matt Warnock >>>> <mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My understanding is that the whole site has just changed hosting. A few >>>>> broken links are to be expected. Doesn't mean no one is minding the >>>>> store-- there is a lot to be done and a few things may be discovered as >>>>> we go along. >>>>> >>>>> The primary business is always developing the system-- the website that >>>>> demonstrates and documents the system is ancillary. Kind of like >>>>> chewing Linus out because kernel.org has an outage or a broken link when >>>>> changing hosting companies. 1) It isn't his main job (maybe not even a >>>>> little bit). 2) Nothing is perfect, especially when a major change is >>>>> underway. 3) How is someone going to know unless they are told exactly >>>>> what the problem is? >>>>> >>>>> Developers are mostly using svn to update, I'd bet. So a broken >>>>> download link would only be apparent to others (mostly first-time users, >>>>> as you say). Logs might mention it, but I don't know anyone that reads >>>>> them daily, do you? Automated log analyzers might help here to report >>>>> broken links that developers don't often see. So let's view this as an >>>>> opportunity to improve ancillary parts of the system, which are also >>>>> important in that newbies see them first. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 13:11 -0500, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> > Hi Jacques: >>>>> > That would be really nice, but I'm not even at that stage yet. >>>>> > >>>>> > My problem is with the download web page. There has been a major >>>>> > regression here and no one has said a word (until me, right now) about >>>>> > it. That leads me to say: "Who is minding the store?". This is the >>>>> > second or third thing anyone interested in OFBiz sees...after the splash >>>>> > page. >>>>> > >>>>> > It's a mess of "stuff" that no one in their "right" (or "left") mind >>>>> > would bother to spend too much time trying to decipher. Worst case: A >>>>> > prospective user leaves the site (with a slight hint suggesting that >>>>> > maybe the code is as disorganized as the web page) and downloads some >>>>> > other project's code. Bye-bye prospect. Wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot >>>>> > pole. >>>>> > >>>>> > Best case: A prospect user will end up downloading the trunk code, >>>>> > because, on this web page, all roads lead to a trunk download. Then, >>>>> > well how much fun is that going to be for a new user who doesn't have a >>>>> > clue where to start? Bye-bye prospect. I tried, but code isn't stable >>>>> > enough for my tastes. >>>>> > >>>>> > And some wonder why there isn't more OFBiz activity out there. Well, I >>>>> > for one am pretty sure I know why. >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, >>>>> > Ruth >>>>> > >>>>> > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> > > Some ASF projects are very sucessful yet with strong competition, for >>>>> > > instance ServiceMix vs Mule, Geronimo, vs..., etc. >>>>> > > We may mimic some of the ways they are doing things. For instance, >>>>> > > some time ago Chris Snow asked for a better SEO, I'm not quite sure >>>>> > > but I think it'a about exporting the wiki and make Google (and other >>>>> > > SEs) knows about it... >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Jacques >>>>> > > >>>>> > > From: "Tim Ruppert" <tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com> >>>>> > > Ruth, I'm sure there's some good that could come out of your message - >>>>> > > so against my general nature of responding to this type of attitude, >>>>> > > I'm going to try and help you phrase this in a way that will help us >>>>> > > help infra to try to meet what you're looking for. Here's what I see >>>>> > > when I go to the site(s): >>>>> > > >>>>> > > http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ - not downloading and >>>>> > > testing anything - just looking at what I see: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > 1. The nightly trunk seems to be updated daily. >>>>> > > 2. The 9.04 builds seem to, for some reason not be being updated on >>>>> > > this page. >>>>> > > 3. There aren't many 4.0 releases being built. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Then I go to here - >>>>> > > http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/archive/snapshots/ - and I see a >>>>> > > slightly different picture: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > 1. The trunk builds aren't really archives they're simply another copy >>>>> > > after it was moved over. >>>>> > > -- The archives are there though from when HotWax was managing it. >>>>> > > 2. The 9.04 builds seem to really be the ones that we'd want on that >>>>> > > first page. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Now, since I know that this release and the downloads are super >>>>> > > important to you, I'm really more interested in hearing you: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > 1. Lay out the way you'd like to see these pages work. >>>>> > > 2. Even show some examples of other projects that you _do_ like >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I hope this helps Ruth - as Adrian and Jacopo mentioned, what you've >>>>> > > sent here is just a whine, not a helpful way for anyone to improve. >>>>> > > Put in the time and help us to make it more like you like and I'm sure >>>>> > > you'll be more pleased with the result. Btw, all of those other >>>>> > > options are not the same type of community driven projects as the ASF, >>>>> > > so it's hard to manage the same way. When commercial interests are >>>>> > > more intertwined with the project, there are definitely benefits (as >>>>> > > well as drawbacks), so let's at least acknowledge those. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Cheers, >>>>> > > Ruppert >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > >> If there is a problem with the OFBiz site, it would be helpful to >>>>> > >> know what it is. Remarks like this are not helpful. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> -Adrian >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> > >>> This was meant as a sarcastic, "I can't believe this kind of thing >>>>> > >>> keeps falling through the cracks", kind of remark. No wonder new >>>>> > >>> users shy away. I mean, no wonder new users run as fast as their >>>>> > >>> browsers will take them to OpenBravo, OpenERP, Magento... >>>>> > >>> Regards, >>>>> > >>> Ruth >>>>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>> > >>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword >>>>> > >>> "myofbiz" >>>>> > >>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matt Warnock <mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com> >>>>> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>
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