Hello Pierre,

Thanks, I'm glad that the tarball is the way to go.

So would the recommendation be to 
1. get the new tarball
2. extract that to a new directory hierarchy (not on top of the old OFBiz 
files)
3. copy/alter the modified files in the new release to match the external 
database connections which in my install are only:
- framework/entity/config/entityengine.xml (mariadb datasources)
- build.gradle  (to include org.mariadb.jdbc driver)
- ~/.gradle/gradle.properties (gradle tuning)
4. copy over customization files that may have been created during usage of old 
release if any (I'm not quite familiar yet how these customizations are being 
located on disk/database)
5. use the new release hierarchy in which executing
- ./gradlew clean
- ./gradlew "ofbiz --load-data readers=seed"
- ./gradlew ofbiz
6. check everything works as earlier

Or do I need to somehow otherwise run a extra command to get gradle to 
download the mariadb driver to the new release directory hierarchy as I used 
the build.gradle way to define it's driver instead of downloading the driver 
files manually? Or just copy over the driver files from old release before step 
5?

The page also referred to a lot of database ALTER commands which hopefully are 
not necessary to be individually gathered from the page and executed against 
the DB. Sorry, not quite on my familiar ground with this but I'm trying to get 
to grips with the product so I can explain what does what in the base system. 
:)

Or would you recommend extracting on top of the old release after having made 
a backup of the old release directory hierachy from which to pull certain 
earlier files?


Best regards,
Jukka

On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10.16.22 EEST Pierre Smits wrote:
> Hi Jukka,
> 
> Yes, you are correct in understanding that the project has moved from svn
> to git. There may still be pages in the wiki and elsewhere that are not
> reflecting that.
> 
> That being said, using a release is the way to go for doing an
> implementation for 'production' purposes. The project advises not to use
> code directly from the repositories for production purposes.
> 
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> 
> Pierre Smits
> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
> 2008 (without privileges)
> 
> *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President*
> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
> Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer
> Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:07 AM Jukka Palko <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you Pierre.
> >
> > Yes, the setup was directly with MariaDB as the backend as there was not
> > much interest in
> > using the embedded DB in the future in comparison to the rich features of
> > an external
> > RDBMS and the person going to maintain the database does understand
> > MySQL/MariaDB
> > from previous experience.
> >
> > I can see that the page you referred me to shows as the first command to
> > run subversion
> > update. I have done the install using a tarball.
> >
> > Would it be recommendable to do the install initially rather with getting
> > the sources using
> > subversion/git than downloading the tarball for future ease of upgrading?
> > Have I
> > understood correctly that the project has been changing toward git with
> > the newer code
> > branches?
> >
> > I also just noticed actually that I had not found this page, or just
> > missed the bit earlier, that
> > actually does refer to svn commands:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/
Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide[1]
> > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/
Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide%5B1%5D>
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jukka
> >
> > On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09.40.22 EEST Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > Hi Jukka,
> > >
> > > First of all: welcome!
> > >
> > > If you're still evaluating OFBiz in a non-production setup (e.g. with 
the
> > > embedded Apache Derby RDBMS as the data store) you can just replace the
> > > 16.11.07 code by the 17.12.03 code in the folder of your choice.
> > >
> > > However, if you already setup your OFBiz implementation with an external
> > > (production-grade) RDBMS - like MySQL/PostgreSQL/etc. - and have
> > production
> > > data in play, you need to do more.
> > > Not only do you need have backups of your data and the various
> > > configuration files, but you also need to assess whether replacement of
> > the
> > > 16.11.07 code with the new version has an impact on customisation you 
may
> > > have. There may be data (entity) model changes in play:
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/
> > Revisions+Requiring+Data+Migration+-+upgrade+ofbiz
> > >
> > >
> > > Met vriendelijke groet,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > > *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/>
> > since
> > > 2008 (without privileges)
> > >
> > > *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President*
> > > *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
> > > Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer
> > > Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:26 AM Jukka Palko <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I tried to ask this question with my protonmail email earlier on
> > upgrading
> > > > to 17.12.01 but I think protonmail is a bit troubled with mailing
> > lists.
> > > > So, a retry with my GMail subscribed to the list.
> > > >
> > > > I'm basically completely new to OFBiz but not new to system
> > administration
> > > > in
> > > > general with more than 20 years of Linux and Unix experience.
> > > >
> > > > My question is what are the upgrade procedures for an OFBiz
> > installation. I
> > > > have done a MariaDB database on Debian 10 and configured OFBiz to use
> > that
> > > > as
> > > > the backend.
> > > >
> > > > I can write up a wiki page of the install should that be found useful.
> > I
> > > > basically did the documentation in a text file of the procedures used
> > as
> > > > I'm trying to help a local small business in starting to use the
> > software.
> > > >
> > > > The installation was built using command
> > > > ./gradlew --parallel-threads=8 cleanAll loadDefault
> > > >
> > > > I configured a systemd service file for the installation as follows:
> > > > ------
> > > > [Unit]
> > > > Description=OFBiz Service Daemon
> > > > After=network.target auditd.service
> > > > After=network-online.target
> > > > Wants=network-online.target
> > > >
> > > > [Service]
> > > > User=ofbiz
> > > > WorkingDirectory=/srv/ofbiz/apache-ofbiz
> > > > ExecStart=/srv/ofbiz/apache-ofbiz/gradlew ofbiz
> > > > ExecStop=/srv/ofbiz/apache-ofbiz/gradlew 'ofbiz --shutdown'
> > > >
> > > > [Install]
> > > > WantedBy=multi-user.target
> > > > ------
> > > >
> > > > The installation is running fine I guess which is to say that it does
> > not
> > > > seem
> > > > to complain on any web page I've browsed on it thus far.
> > > >
> > > > However, I did the install while 16.11.07 was the newest version and
> > now
> > > > there
> > > > is the version 17.12.03 available. What are the update/upgrade steps 
to
> > > > move
> > > > my install from the previous version to the new one?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Jukka Palko
> > > >
> > > >
> 



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