Somewhat ironically (or maybe fortunately…) these models lack self awareness and don’t really know what they know until you ask them. Instead try asking it to outline the architecture of what it knows about something from its training data.
You can pretty safely assume anything significant on github as of the training date for the model will be in there. Typically it’s abour a 6-9 month lag from when the model launches. Be sure to use grok3, it is the latest model, I think you need to pay for it but it’s the best money you can spend. It does a great job of blending its training with active web searching (try the deep research option!) Claude 3.7 is also very good. I would avoid deepseek from an information security perspective even though it performs well, but grok3 is definitely the best value as of now. ChatGPT o3 is pretty good but it can get lazy due to all of its safety measures and if you’re not explicit in what you need. —P > On Mar 4, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Emad Radwan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Paul for mentioning Grok. The amazing thing is that when I asked > Grok if it has access to the Ofbiz code, the answer was NO. > > Regards, > Emad > >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2025 at 12:12 AM Paul Mandeltort <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Grok says… (note there may be errors in this, but after a quick read it >> does seem pretty accurate) >> >> >> ------ >> In Apache OFBiz 18, the Event-Condition-Action (ECA) rule you’ve >> referenced for the updateReturnHeader service is designed to handle sales >> returns (customer returns) when the status changes to RETURN_COMPLETED. >> This ECA triggers several actions, including createInvoiceFromReturn, which >> generates a sales return invoice (typically a credit note) to reflect the >> financial adjustment for the returned goods. However, you’ve noticed that >> there doesn’t appear to be an equivalent ECA for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED, >> which is the status associated with purchase returns (returns to >> suppliers), and you want to generate a debit note (referred to as a >> Purchase Return Invoice in OFBiz) when this status is reached. >> Let’s break this down and address your question and objective step-by-step: >> Why Isn’t There an Equivalent ECA for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED? >> The absence of an equivalent ECA for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED in the >> out-of-the-box (OOTB) OFBiz 18 configuration stems from differences in the >> business processes and control dynamics between sales returns and purchase >> returns: >> Sales Returns (Customer Returns): >> When a customer returns goods, the business is in full control of the >> process. Once the return is approved and completed (RETURN_COMPLETED), >> OFBiz can confidently generate a credit note (via createInvoiceFromReturn) >> to adjust the customer’s account in Accounts Receivable (AR). >> The ECA ensures automation of this adjustment because the business >> dictates the terms and outcome of the return. >> Purchase Returns (Supplier Returns): >> For purchase returns, the supplier is in control of the process. The >> business (the buyer) initiates a return, but the supplier must approve it >> and decide the resolution—typically issuing a credit note to the buyer or >> agreeing to a refund/replacement. >> Unlike sales returns, the financial adjustment (e.g., a debit note or >> credit from the supplier) depends on the supplier’s response, not just the >> internal status change to SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED. This external dependency >> means OFBiz cannot assume the return is fully resolved at this stage and >> automatically generate a debit note. >> OOTB Behavior: >> In OFBiz, the SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED status indicates that the return >> process has been finalized internally (e.g., goods shipped back to the >> supplier), but it doesn’t inherently trigger an invoice or debit note >> because the supplier’s acknowledgment or credit note is typically required >> first. >> Instead of an ECA, the OOTB expectation might be that the user manually >> creates a Purchase Return Invoice or records a supplier-issued credit note >> in the Accounting module once the supplier confirms the return. >> Debit Note vs. Credit Note: >> In accounting terms, a debit note is issued by the buyer to the supplier >> to request a credit or adjustment (e.g., for defective goods). However, in >> OFBiz, the Purchase Return Invoice (an invoice of type >> PURCHASE_RETURN_INVOICE) acts as the mechanism to record this adjustment in >> Accounts Payable (AP), often linked to a supplier credit note. >> The lack of an ECA for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED suggests that OFBiz assumes >> this step involves manual intervention or supplier-driven documentation >> rather than automatic generation. >> Is There an Equivalent ECA for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED? >> In the standard OFBiz 18 configuration, there is no direct equivalent ECA >> for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED that mirrors the RETURN_COMPLETED behavior. The >> updateReturnHeader service handles both sales and purchase returns (via the >> ReturnHeader entity), but the ECA is specifically conditioned on >> RETURN_COMPLETED, which applies to customer returns. No analogous ECA >> exists for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED in the OOTB entity-eca.xml or >> service-eca.xml files under the applications/order or >> applications/accounting components. >> However, the equivalent process for purchase returns involves: >> Completing the return process in the Order Manager (e.g., marking the >> return as SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED). >> Manually creating a Purchase Return Invoice in the Accounting Manager >> under Accounts Payable, which adjusts the supplier’s account and reflects >> the debit/credit as needed. >> Achieving Your Objective: Triggering Debit Note Generation for >> SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED >> To automate the generation of a Purchase Return Invoice (functionally a >> debit note in your context) when the status changes to >> SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED, you’ll need to customize OFBiz by adding a new ECA. >> Here’s how you can do it: >> Step 1: Understand the Existing Mechanism >> The createInvoiceFromReturn service generates invoices based on the >> ReturnHeader and ReturnItem entities. For sales returns (RETURN_COMPLETED), >> it creates a CUST_RETURN_INVOICE (credit note). For purchase returns >> (SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED), it can create a PURCHASE_RETURN_INVOICE if invoked >> correctly. >> You’ll leverage this service but trigger it specifically for >> SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED. >> Step 2: Add a Custom ECA >> Create or modify an ECA definition in a custom component or override the >> existing entity-eca.xml or service-eca.xml file. For example: >> xml >> >> <eca service="updateReturnHeader" event="commit"> >> <condition field-name="statusId" operator="equals" >> value="SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED"/> >> <condition field-name="oldStatusId" operator="not-equals" >> value="SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED"/> >> <action service="createInvoiceFromReturn" mode="sync"/> >> </eca> >> Explanation: >> service="updateReturnHeader": Ties the ECA to the same service used for >> sales returns. >> statusId="SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED": Triggers only for purchase returns. >> oldStatusId condition: Ensures the action runs only on a status change to >> SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED. >> createInvoiceFromReturn: Generates the Purchase Return Invoice. >> Step 3: Test the Invoice Type >> The createInvoiceFromReturn service checks the returnTypeId of the >> ReturnHeader. For purchase returns (returnTypeId="VENDOR_RETURN"), it >> should generate a PURCHASE_RETURN_INVOICE. Verify this behavior in your >> environment, as it depends on the return setup. >> Step 4: Deploy and Validate >> Place the ECA in your custom component’s servicedef/secas.xml file (e.g., >> hot-deploy/mycomponent/servicedef/secas.xml). >> Reload the service definitions (./ant load-seca or restart OFBiz). >> Test the purchase return process by creating a return, completing it >> (SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED), and confirming that a Purchase Return Invoice is >> generated in the Accounting Manager. >> Optional Enhancements >> Add conditions to ensure the supplier has approved the return (e.g., a >> custom field or status). >> Include additional actions like notifications >> (sendReturnCompleteNotification) if needed. >> Customize createInvoiceFromReturn (via a service override) if you need >> specific debit note formatting or logic. >> Considerations >> Supplier Dependency: If your business process requires supplier approval >> before generating a debit note, you might need to introduce a custom status >> (e.g., SUP_RETURN_APPROVED) and trigger the ECA there instead. >> Accounting Impact: Ensure the generated Purchase Return Invoice correctly >> debits the supplier’s AP account and aligns with your accounting practices. >> OFBiz Version: This solution is based on OFBiz 18’s general architecture. >> Minor adjustments might be needed depending on your specific release or >> customizations. >> Conclusion >> There’s no OOTB ECA for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED because purchase returns >> involve supplier-driven steps that OFBiz doesn’t automate by default. >> However, you can achieve your objective by adding a custom ECA to trigger >> createInvoiceFromReturn for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED, effectively generating a >> Purchase Return Invoice (debit note) when the status changes. >> >> >> >> --P >> >>> On Mar 3, 2025, at 8:51 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Stephen, >>> >>> It could be interesting to ask Grok3 as suggested by Paul. >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/76f1551z1v2z245p9gs2q8ffqp3rjpsf >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> Le 24/02/2025 à 21:44, S Munene a écrit : >>>> The sales return processing has an eca defined for service >> updateReturnHeader for RETURN_COMPLETED status >>>> The last part of that eca is createInvoiceFromReturn >>>> >>>> <eca service="updateReturnHeader" event="commit"> >>>> <condition field-name="statusId" operator="equals" >> value="RETURN_COMPLETED"/> >>>> <condition field-name="oldStatusId" operator="not-equals" >> value="RETURN_COMPLETED"/> >>>> <action service="sendReturnCompleteNotification" mode="async" >> persist="true"/> >>>> <action service="processSubscriptionReturn" mode="sync"/> >>>> <action service="createReturnStatus" mode="sync"/> >>>> <action service="createInvoiceFromReturn" mode="sync"/> >>>> </eca> >>>> Why isn't there an equivalent eca (or maybe a better >> question is what is the equivalent) for SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED (i believe >> it is the purchase return equivalent of RETURN_COMPLETED )? >>>> My objective is to trigger debit note generation (Purchase Return >> Invoice) when status changes to SUP_RETURN_COMPLETED >>>> Kindly help >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Stephen >> >>
