on Owncloud Community Core 8, as administrator how can I check, monitor and create reports on user activities such as last login, also if want to send an auto email to all or part of registered users (such as weekly newsletter, reminders,,etc)how this can be done
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 4:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: User Digest, Vol 14, Issue 16 Send User mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of User digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Opinion about feature (Francisco Carriedo Scher) 2. Re: Opinion about feature (Alan Millar) 3. Re: Opinion about feature (Christian Reiner) 4. Re: Opinion about feature (Matthew Caron) 5. Re: Opinion about feature (Mike Morris) 6. Re: Opinion about feature (Alexis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:37:23 +0100 From: Francisco Carriedo Scher <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [owncloud-user] Opinion about feature Message-ID: <CAFWtOcPGv_=hKCzzu5_4TbsVcv2PZLNr3v1j+bc=6b5d_gd...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello there, I would like to share an idea about a feature and get opinions from you. Maybe it is only an impression, but I think that file-storage utilities like Dropbox, Owncloud and the like are used in the end by smart device users as a valve to just "bulk" contents on their devices to free space on them or to "backup" their material... But the thing is that the material needs to be organized anyway, what is either an annoying task or it just never gets done, resulting in a growing mass of valuable media that becomes chaotic... I have only a rough idea by now, but I think that automatically dumping the files to a cloud facility is half the solution. What about introducing an easier way for us humans to store and locate the media we are interested in later on? The first and most obvious criteria is the time, but not just as a plain hierarchy, but structuring folders: year->seasons->months->weeks->days->hours. Depending on the frequency year->seasons->months->weeks->days->you get media with, a the scale may vary. Another way, useful for trips and so on, would be prompting the user asking for a label with a short title at the end of the time period: "day in Paris", "week in Berlin", "The hottest July ever", "Summer with the family", "2015 abroad"... Of course sillier things can serve as label, in fact, maybe the sillier the more meaningful it is for the end user and the better index it results. Time criteria would be the main one, and then, if used, the labeling one, similar to TV series: years, seasons, chapters... But sharper time resolution possible. Criterias can get combined. >From the UI/UX standpoint, my impression is that it could be achieved >with a light user experience and minimal configuration, presented as an optional backup mode for selected folders or for determined periods of time (vacations, business travels, documenting events...). I think that automatically storing the media + automatically organizing it could make a difference, at least for me, but I must say I am not a reference user to be asked... Opinion? Thank you very much for your attention anyway! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.owncloud.org/pipermail/user/attachments/20150322/760f0738/at tachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:49:52 -0700 From: Alan Millar <[email protected]> To: [email protected], For users of ownCloud <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [owncloud-user] Opinion about feature Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting idea. You might want to look at tagspaces, which implements a similar idea of tagging files in an open-ended way, including tags for dates. It is free open-source software, and already has a client implementations for Windows, Mac, Android and IOS, and a web-based install that works with Owncloud. See: http://tagspaces.org Regards, - Alan http://serverdatastorage.com On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Francisco Carriedo Scher <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello there, > > I would like to share an idea about a feature and get opinions from you. > > Maybe it is only an impression, but I think that file-storage utilities like Dropbox, Owncloud and the like are used in the end by smart device users as a valve to just "bulk" contents on their devices to free space on them or to "backup" their material... But the thing is that the material needs to be organized anyway, what is either an annoying task or it just never gets done, resulting in a growing mass of valuable media that becomes chaotic... > > I have only a rough idea by now, but I think that automatically > dumping the files to a cloud facility is half the solution. What about > introducing an easier way for us humans to store and locate the media > we are interested in later on? The first and most obvious criteria is > the time, but not just as a plain hierarchy, but structuring folders: > year->seasons->months->weeks->days->hours. Depending on the frequency > you get media with, a the scale may vary. Another way, useful for > trips and so on, would be prompting the user asking for a label with a > short title at the end of the time period: "day in Paris", "week in > Berlin", "The hottest July ever", "Summer with the family", "2015 > abroad"... Of course sillier things can serve as label, in fact, maybe > the sillier the more meaningful it is for the end user and the better > index it results. Time criteria would be the main one, and then, if > used, the labeling one, similar to TV series: years, seasons, > chapters... But sharper time re solution possible. Criterias can get combined. > > From the UI/UX standpoint, my impression is that it could be achieved with a light user experience and minimal configuration, presented as an optional backup mode for selected folders or for determined periods of time (vacations, business travels, documenting events...). > > I think that automatically storing the media + automatically organizing it could make a difference, at least for me, but I must say I am not a reference user to be asked... > > Opinion? > > Thank you very much for your attention anyway! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > User mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 20:58:01 +0100 From: Christian Reiner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [owncloud-user] Opinion about feature Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, On Sunday 22 March 2015 19:37:23 Francisco Carriedo Scher wrote: > I would like to share an idea about a feature and get opinions from you. you gave that good though and came up with a lot of interesting aspects. Those thoughts are not new, things along that line of ideas have actually been discussed often before... What I personally learned over the last decades in IT is that all approaches to find "a better" or even "the right" hierarchy or structure to organize ones data are senseless. There is no such thing as "the right". That is always in relation to a situation, or purpose or whatever. In short: it changes, it depends. So why do it? Sooner or later you will always come to a point where suddenly your shiny structure is not the best any more. Where instead it annoys you. And you start to make crude "workarounds", we all know these. Things like additional tags are fine, but only another workaround if used as a secondary means. I think one of the reasons for this is that humans simply are not meant to work and think in such strict structures. It is against our nature, against all our experience and mental tool collection. Humans can adapt and obey the rules of a strict structure. But that is hard work, not intuitive and only works for a certain percentage of everything there is. Instead humans act in a more associative or even semantic way. They are able to be flexible and switch the point of view as suitable for a given situation. That is how we should store things in our extended memory these days, in computer or cloud storage. So I say: Let's FINALLY kill file hierarchies! Let's free ourselves! Revolution! Instead of selecting a specific location in a strict tree where we already know in advance why we so often fail to find something again, why don't we save things the way we would do it intuitively? By the associations we have to the thing we want to save? Dates might be one association, but certainly not for all things we store and certainly not the only associations to same things. So why ignore all the rest, although it is obvious that it is valuable? What would make sense is to have File Save/File open dialogs that don't even mention a location in a file system. That is up to the storage system, I am not interested in that. And the system might even want change and optimize that in background, I do not care. I want to be able to pick relations instead, or call it tags, does not matter, for each object. Many such tags. Nothing against additionally adding automatically chosen tags, but manual ones are more valuable. It is not only that I can search by tag later, but the tag association *is* forming a hierarchy by which files are stored and a very intuitive one. And the main twist: I can chose different points of view, a different hierarchy, so look at different trees by which a collection is organized *without*having*to*reorder*things*. It is multi dimensional per definition. Required for that is: 1. a good and growing tag collection, consisting of hierarchically organized tags defined by means of an ontology, 2. a means to keep such collections synchronized, so that separate collections can be mixed and will still make sense. So probably a central authority for the tag ontology from which one can clone and branch ones own private and local tags and 3. the replacement of the file save dialog. For this I could imagine offering both variant side by side for different purposes, that way a smooth transition would be possible. So a dialog with two tabs, one offering to pick a location in a hierarchical file system, one offering to save by means of ontology. This would be a complete separate project because the tag collections should be synchronized. I named that idea "syntags", gave a few talks about it. Most people agree on two facts: absolutely makes sense and a long way to go :-) But who if not a project like owncloud could be a driving force behind such a "revolution"? Christian Reiner (arkascha) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 21:39:13 -0400 From: Matthew Caron <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [owncloud-user] Opinion about feature Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 03/22/2015 03:58 PM, Christian Reiner wrote: > What I personally learned over the last decades in IT is that all > approaches to find "a better" or even "the right" hierarchy or > structure to organize ones data are senseless. There is no such thing > as "the right". That is always in relation to a situation, or purpose or whatever. I find that it is also is very heavily related to how the brains of the people who are using it work. > Let's FINALLY kill file hierarchies! Let's free ourselves! Revolution! Nope. The way my mind works, I love them. For example, I hate all those photo or audio programs that slurp everything into a DB and they're not individually broken out on disk. Drives me nuts. I like ones which build a database of what you have on disk, and tag them for easy searching, but that is added on top of the file hierarchy. As for the rest of what you posted, I have no issue having those be additional features, as long as there is still a "file hierarchy" option or association there too (which you did indeed propose, despite your "let's kill it" battle cry, above). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- In the academic world, you think now and decide never; and in the government, it?s just exactly the other way around. -- Warren Nutter PGP Key: http://www.mattcaron.net/pgp_key.txt ~~ Matt Caron ~~ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 18:53:19 -0700 From: Mike Morris <[email protected]> To: For users of ownCloud <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [owncloud-user] Opinion about feature Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" On 03/22/2015 06:39 PM, Matthew Caron wrote: > On 03/22/2015 03:58 PM, Christian Reiner wrote: >> What I personally learned over the last decades in IT is that all approaches >> to find "a better" or even "the right" hierarchy or structure to organize ones >> data are senseless. There is no such thing as "the right". That is always in >> relation to a situation, or purpose or whatever. > I find that it is also is very heavily related to how the brains of the > people who are using it work. > >> Let's FINALLY kill file hierarchies! Let's free ourselves! Revolution! > Nope. The way my mind works, I love them. For example, I hate all those > photo or audio programs that slurp everything into a DB and they're not > individually broken out on disk. Drives me nuts. I like ones which build > a database of what you have on disk, and tag them for easy searching, > but that is added on top of the file hierarchy. > > As for the rest of what you posted, I have no issue having those be > additional features, as long as there is still a "file hierarchy" option > or association there too (which you did indeed propose, despite your > "let's kill it" battle cry, above). Ditto. I'm fastidious about not only hierarchy, but file naming conventions. I've only fairly recently started using ownCloud, but would drop it immediately if a hierarchical folder structure were not at least an option (and consider dropping it if that were not the default). In my application, volume alone would make a single listing unusable. IMHO, the best compromise, for those whose brains work like Christian's, is a search feature that (1) searches all folders, (2) returns a single list, and (3) supports wildcards. That way searching for "*" gives the desired flat listing. But of course those whose brains differ will likely have differing opinions. (See Above :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.owncloud.org/pipermail/user/attachments/20150322/3f183d61/at tachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 13:23:33 +1100 From: Alexis <[email protected]> To: For users of ownCloud <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [owncloud-user] Opinion about feature Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On 2015-03-23T12:53:19+1100, Mike Morris <[email protected]> said: MM> Ditto. I'm fastidious about not only hierarchy, but file naming MM> conventions. As am i! However, although i do prefer to slot files into a hierarchy, i regularly encounter situations where i can't find a document on my local filesystem, because the hierarchy location that seemed most appropriate to me at the time i filed it is not where my mind is at right now. Artificial example: say there's a paper "The Philosophy of Mathematics". Initially i might have put it under a 'philosophy' folder, because it was part of a range of philosophy reading i was doing at the time. Now, however, my focus has moved to foundations of maths, and so i might expect to find it under a 'mathematics' folder. So, as has been noted elsewhere in this thread, i've found that the 'best' ontology can change over time depending on circumstances. Hence my suggestion below. MM> I've only fairly recently started using ownCloud, but would drop MM> it immediately if a hierarchical folder structure were not at MM> least an option (and consider dropping it if that were not the MM> default). In my application, volume alone would make a single MM> listing unusable. MM> IMHO, the best compromise, for those whose brains work like MM> Christian's, is a search feature that MM> (1) searches all folders, (2) returns a single list, and (3) MM> supports wildcards. MM> That way searching for "*" gives the desired flat listing. But of MM> course those whose brains differ will likely have differing MM> opinions. (See Above :-) Well, how about adding functionality to create, modify and delete 'virtual folders' whose contents are derived from metadata such as filenames, tags or dates? E.g. one could create a virtual folder based on the tags 'work' and 'project3' and a date filter 'accessed since 20150101', such that its contents would include all files matching those criteria. (Note that i'm not necessarily suggesting that this /replace/ file hierarchies, but merely that it be available to /accompany/ them, or not, as users and contexts require.) Alexis. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ User mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user End of User Digest, Vol 14, Issue 16 ************************************ _______________________________________________ User mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
