Craig McClanahan wrote:

The *standard* UI components weren't meant to be compelling -- they
were meant to give people an opportunity to actually explore the APIs
without having anything except a JSF implementation.



Fair enough. By the way, I'm not bagging on the UI components in any way. The one that looks the most intriguing to me is the "rendered" attribute that comes with the various widgets. That attribute combined with the EL is sweet! Currently I have my own custom tags to check for field availablility and editability. I perform two checks for every field with two tags (ex. <isEditable> and <isNotEditable>). The rendered attribute combined with EL could condense my code (and get rid of the need for two custom tags!)

indeed, the integration library hooks the two frameworks
together only when processing an action event from a submit buttton or
hyperlink).



Interesting. Thanks for this nugget. This helps with my "behind the scenes" understanding of what you're up to.

Does Struts offer enough value add to be compelling for use together
with JSF? The list of adds is fairly thin at the moment, and IMHO
this is a way that Struts2 should distinguish itself, by focusing on
this area of development. But that's for the future.


That's kind of what I've been thinking. For me, Tiles is a huge add but I'm not wedded to ActionForms, etc. I look forward to the controller imporvements to be discussed on struts-dev!

Thanks for your hard work on both of these projects!

sean


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