Thanks, Joe, Some thoughts below:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:26:22 -0600, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Aren't Struts and JSF in the end really competitors? Seems so to me. > >I cannot see them merging in any sensible solution. > > No, I don't think so. JSF is primarily focused on the view. Struts > is only partially focused on the view. I think it's plausible that > they could cooperate, even though I haven't yet decided that that's > the best way forward. As noted above, I suspect that trying to use > JSF as a complete controller solution would lead to the same kinds of > problems people had in "Model 1" (JSP-centered) development. > I may have misunderstood, and I am at a disadvantage because I am still trying to get a good idea of what JSF is all about, but I thought that Craig saw any merger between Struts and JSF as a temporary thing which was fundamentally not a long run arrangement. > >I don't think that this note by "Vinny" is unimportant. I like the > >idea of something like JSF for the view. I am not sure I like the > >controller architecture which it uses and which, i think, ultimately > >is a choice inconsistent with Struts, which I like. > > Personally, I agree that using JSF simply because it will be > including in J2EE 1.5 (or 5.0) isn't reason enough. But can you > elaborate on *why* you don't like the controller architecture that > JSF uses, and why it's inconsistent with Struts? > I don't understand your idea of a "view controller", Joe. The "view controller" is a controller which is not something different from the Struts "controller" is it? The controller, from my perspective needs to be decoupled from the view. A "view controller" is just another way of saying, if I understand, that the view and the controller will be coupled. Ultimately, of course, there has to be some interface between the view and the controller. I would wish there were an interface that could adapt the Struts architecture with the JSF sort of view intricacies. However, I don't see that the event-based, page-based, JSF approach can do that. I admit I am struggling with this and do not claim to speak with any authority in fact or in understanding. The ideas I have seen seem to be running counter to my intuitions, just like they are with Adam Hardy. I have that same sense but am not sure I am right at all. I certainly don't want to get things wrong and maybe I am completely muddled about this. I have not seen that so far, however. Sorry for going on so long. Jack -- "You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~Native Proverb~ "Each man is good in His sight. It is not necessary for eagles to be crows." ~Hunkesni (Sitting Bull), Hunkpapa Sioux~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
