As one of the few privileged people in this world to have received a "reading of the riot act" from Ted, I know that he is perfectly able to get his point across and defend his own stand. :-)
However, I will say that there are production Struts systems out there. The biggest problem is that most of them are not visible. Here at Lands' End, I am the Technical Lead for a very large, very critical web application written with Struts, but I can't show you it because it's an Intranet application. I can tell you for a fact that we have greater than one Struts based applications here and our in-house architecture group has even approved it for on-going use. I think that the "Struts inside" approach will continue for a while, because many customer facing websites are written by the PHP and Perl CGI crowd, while the Intranet/Internal applications are more often written by the Java/J2EE folks, who have a tendency to like Struts. (And buy books :-) Try the following link for a list of sites and companies who are known to use Struts: http://simonpeter.com/techie/java/struts/sites.html This is a list composed from reports by folks on this very list. So unless you do not believe your fellow Struts users, then this should be a reasonably correct list. Simon >-----Original Message----- >From: Stahlhut, Axel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:40 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: AW: Are there Struts Applications in real life out there? > > >Hi Ted, > >sorry that i do not agree with you. I know very well which >books there are written about struts, as i read them all, i >thin (at least that ones in english). Furthermore i did >develop some applications using struts myself in different >projects, some of them not so small (one about 10000 >man-days). So you address the wrong person with your mail. >still i think it is not the worst think writing that it is in >fact in use in very big applications, because i know that >there are still a lot of decision-makers around that do not >trust OpenSource products in their productive environments. >Anyway, maybe i was not really clear in my last mail, this is >just one theme of the article (in fact, it is not the most >important one), and i thought it would be a good idea to refer >to a link with a list of applications. >Maybe you will happen to read the article, than I am looking >forward to hear your fair comment on it. ;o) > >Regards >Axel > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. November 2004 16:21 >> An: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Betreff: Re: Are there Struts Applications in real life out there? >> >> >> LOL. :) >> >> Yes, over the last two years at least nineteen different >> publishers each decided to publish books about Struts, surely >> selling over a hundred thousand copies combined -- but no one >> is actually using it in production. :) >> >> You might as well ask whether the moon is really made of >> green cheese :) >> >> Once upon a time, we had a list of thirty or so public >> applications, but it was too much work to maintain, and we >> had long since past the point where we had something to prove. >> >> I've met with teams for some of the the largest corporations >> in world, who I know for a fact are using Struts in >> production. Am I going to names names here. No. Why? Because >> it's a security issue for anyone to reveal what platform they >> are using. The bigger the site, the bigger the issue. >> >> I can tell you that I just got back from a users group >> meeting in Boston. The New England JUG is the second largest >> in the world (behind Tokyo). The topic was Struts, and it was >> standing room only. When I asked who had Struts applications >> in production, nearly everyone raised their hands. People >> tell me all the time that Struts is still the platform of >> choice for major corporations. I've also heard from more than >> one source that it's a favorite among Department of Defense >> contractors. The lifecycles for a DoD contracts are very >> long, and these contractors won't be taking Struts out of >> production any time soon. >> >> The article sounds like "yellow" journalism to me -- designed >> for "shock" value only. >> >> -Ted. >> >> On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:45:06 +0100, Stahlhut, Axel wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > there will be an article in a german magazine in the near future >> > which covers the theme: "Is struts really in use in real >> > applications". >> > >> > To prove that it is indeed in usage in more than one running >> > project, i wrote a topic in a struts user forum (which runs on my >> > server and is available for general usage, so feel free to use it >> > for discussion, best practises and so on). >> > >> > If you developed or know an application using struts as mvc >> > framework (also if just in parts) please feel free to enter a reply >> > there with a short description of the application and as possible >> > an URL. >> > >> > The URL of the topic is: >> > http://www.objectstore.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5#5 >> > >> > Regards >> > Axel Stahlhut >> > >> > PS: If somebody knows a URL with al list of applications, please >> > send them to me. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
