Plus, with a PHP-based solution, CPU and RAM are only used when a request 
occurs, whereas with Java, the JVM and the webapp-server use a fair amount of 
both even when idle.
As a consequence, they can host a much higher number of php accounts on the 
same hardware : hence the prices...
Oh my, life is hard :D

Olivier


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:15:43 +0100, Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I know... I think they are afraid of the setup to make the
single JVM's well-behaving. After all its usually up to
thousands of accounts on one single server! So a JVM using up all the
CPU is a horror vision for them. They trust to have more control over
php-setups...

Dedicated or virtual-dedicated (linux-vm's on a host-klinux-server)
pose the problem for the client to keep the system secured against
hackers...

Well. It's an interesting world we have to deal with...

regards
Alexander

-----Original Message-----
From: bryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:01 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT: hosting recommendations?

"security issues" .... if that's their response then they are clowns,
pure and simple. I wouldn't trust someone like that to change a
lightbulb.

--b


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:50:09 +0100, Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
most hosting providers I have talked to talk about "security issues"
when you ask them to provide Java-webhosting. ;-)

check out: 
<http://www.i-quest.ch/index.cfm?content=dienstleistungen&page=_dienstleistungen/webhosting_linux>
Yes, it is a swiss company... with swiss server placement...
The "Linux business"-package should around 300 US$ (per year), the
"Linux Professional" is about 120US$ (rough estimate)
This is a package similar to those php-webhosting packages. Their
dedicated servers start at about 70$ a month.

Less... then server4free (mentioned in some earlier post in this
mailing list) "might" be the way for you...

good luck
Alexander



-----Original Message-----
From: Woodchuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:14 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: hosting recommendations?

rackspace must be some serious hosting... they start at a whopping
$350/month... lol, if i win the lottery i will sign up with them! :)

you're right, there seems to be very economical hosting for php.  why
is that?  i don't know anything about php, can it do everything that
struts can?  is it difficult to learn?  what is the differences, pros
and cons between php and struts?  (other than i can get php hosting
plans for less than $10/month!!!)  :)

thanks,
woodchuck

--- bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Get some friends together and get yourselves a linux box hosted on
> rackspace, jave is too resource hungry to get cheap virtual server
> type offerings for it. That is why the world uses php or if you just
> wanna demo your stuff why not get ADSL
>
> --b
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:34:52 -0800 (PST), Woodchuck
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hihi all,
> >
> > can anyone recommend hosters that are Tomcat/Java friendly and
> offer
> > private JVMs for cheap monthly cost?  (cheap to me is $0 -
> $20/month
> > range)
> >
> > i went to servlets.com and visited many of the hosters on their
> list
> > but most of them seem to still have the legacy offerings that are
> > stingy on space and transfer allowances.  it was either that or
> they
> > charge a lot ($50+/month) for private JVMs.
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> > woodchuck
> >
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