Hello, Adam, You are definitely right that this is a crucial part of any web application, and not only for browsers but also for flash, javascript, etc. versions. This is so important in the overall picture for web programming that perhaps a whole separate set of interfaces amounting to a separate "module" or "component" should be developed in a pluggable way. This sort of functionality would seem to be best utilized in something like a filter. What do you think? Even though my emphasis is on functionality and separation of concerns, I am definitely putting this on the TODO list. Thanks.
Jack On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:17:23 +0000, Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jack, > one thing you missed off the diagram is the HTML reader. A public > website often has to cater for: > > - old browsers like Netscape 4 > - text only browsers like lynx > - PDA browsers with no javascript etc > - spiders which ignore sessions > - screen readers for the blind > > all of which make strong demands on the view and often require extra > output from the model. > > Adam > > > > On 11/15/2004 07:46 PM Dakota Jack wrote: > > The whole discussion about MVC and web frameworks is important, I > > think, because not many cash it out when to do so (cash it out) would > > be helpful for discussion. We might try some way of refering to this > > such as WEBMVC. Anyway, the MVC pattern, taken literally, is > > impossible in a web framework. What is possible is something like the > > following where the arrows indicate where there is a coupling: > > > > View <==> Controller <==> Model > > > > Here the Model and the View are completely decoupled. But, even this > > is almost a total representation of what is really going on. What is > > really going on is that the response object is ultimately HTML and > > that the JSP pages are part of creating the response object, so that > > JSP pages inherently provide a smart-serverside View. This all is not > > simple to cash out. I have a sample beginning of cashing this out at > > http://131.191.32.112:8080/ , which, if others want to provide > > alternative way of viewing this I will show them all. The most > > important thing, I think, is to distinguish between the View data and > > the Model data. That is the distinction, I think, that Craig makes in > > JSTL between iteration and sql statements in JSP. > > > > Jack > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- "You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~Native Proverb~ "Each man is good in His sight. It is not necessary for eagles to be crows." ~Hunkesni (Sitting Bull), Hunkpapa Sioux~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
