Well, I've read all the posts on this subject and all those who portray DW as the problem couldn't MORE wrong.
The problem here is not DW, the problem is ignorant designers! DW has almost 100% support for CSS2 (and unbelievable at that!)! It's not perfect, but there is just no better tool out there for PROPERLY designing a web page. You guys are either: 1) Confusing this tool with MS FrontPage, which does generate horrible code and insists on it. 2) Confusing DW as a good tool with your particular designer, which knows little to nothing about designing good code. 3) Haven't tried the latest DW 2004, which has improved dramatically. True, DW does generate code that's not as good as if you wrote it yourself. But who in their right mind would deploy a tool-generated code without tweaking it first? If someone does that, why blame the tool? Blame the designer, then find a designer that actually knows how design for the web, not for print! Remember, it's a TOOL not a designer. It's supposed to help the designer, not do their job for them! Yes, I've seen plenty of designers who think that just because they know how to work with DW, they are automatically a web designer. It's the same thing with ANY other tool. Take any IDE. If you have developers who use the IDE to substitute themselves, you get bad design, bad code, bad everything. A good IDE lets you do what YOU want to do while helping you along the way. DW does that beautifully. It doesn't generate that much garbage code (MX 2004 version is best), it helps you out by pointing out CSS and HTML mistakes, browser incompatibilities, all while letting you do whatever you want. It will warn you if it thinks you are messing up some code, but it won't change it for you. BTW, I am not from the "DW crowd", but I do recognize a good tool when I see one. Personally, I've been looking for a good plug-in for DW that would handle JSTL, Struts and EL normally. Couldn't really find one... NitroX for Struts from M7 (www.m7.com) is VERY good though. They just added JSP 2.0 support. That's what I started using. I would still have designers (the ones who know what they are doing: I wouldn't want to have any other ones anyway :)) use DW for their static design look. Download DW 2004 trial and go through a tutorial or two. You'll change your mind about the tool if you give it a chance. But, I won't argue: out of the box, the JSP support is pretty minimal and certainly not good enough for some real development. That's why in my mind it's mostly a static look tool, which might be improved with some plug-in for displaying all these Struts, JSTL, etc. tags better. Just my opinion on this. Take care, Yaakov. -----Original Message----- From: Bryce Fischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; 'Antony Paul' Subject: RE: Struts and DreamWeaver http://www.fwasi.com/products/ Extension for struts. -----Original Message----- From: Antony Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:39 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts and DreamWeaver I added Struts html tags to DreamWeaver using the add tag from tld option. But it is not rendering the tags as html elements. I use DreamWeaver for visual display. rgds Antony Paul On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:50:02 -0800 (PST), Ashish Kulkarni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > I use macro media dreamweaver and can add tag library > and so can support struts or jstl, i explained my > graphical designer to use these tags instead of html > tags and it worked out well, try teaching graphical > designer to use tags.. > Ashish > --- Erik Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I completed a non-Struts JSP project with a designer > > who used > > DreamWeaver. I hooked him up with the Tortoise CVS > > client, and we didn't > > have any problems. Occasionally I would find tabs > > blown out, that was > > about it. The HTML was fine. The site is in > > production and works in IE > > and Mozilla. He told me Dreamweaver ignored stuff it > > didn't know how to > > handle, and he never complained about inability to > > edit layouts. > > > > Erik > > > > > > Wendy Smoak wrote: > > > > >This is my first time having someone else do the > > page design. I'm thrilled > > >to have someone else do it, but they use > > DreamWeaver and I'm not sure what's > > >going to happen if it sees <html-el:form>. Then > > there's the fun of JSTL > > >tags embedded within HTML tags, which works fine > > but can't exactly be > > >considered valid syntax. > > > > > >I checked the archives, but only found suggestions > > to use something other > > >than DreamWeaver. I don't think that's going to go > > over well. > > > > > >My current plan is to have them use plain-old html > > form elements, and I'll > > >automate as much as possible the task of switching > > them over to > > ><html-el:...> tags. Not much fun, but far better > > than having to do the > > >page design. > > > > > >Does anyone have suggestions for coordinating page > > design with Struts webapp > > >development? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. 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