On Fri, January 7, 2005 4:11 pm, Jim Barrows said:
> I've never found it onerous.  Java works with directory structures. 
> Eclipse uses the same directory strucutre that Java would require, and
> makes it extraordinarily easy to refactor your code if you want to.
> I'm not sure what you mean by point it a structure without it being a
> project, or why you would want to.

Well, what I mean by that is that with UltraEdit, I can open up 
c:\tomcat\webapps\myapp and pretend it's a project (UltraEdit actually has 
project functionality, but I don't use it there either).  There's no extra 
configuration file that the tool creates, nothing else I have to worry about if 
I want to work with it in another environment.  I don't like the idea of being 
locked into Eclipse (or an Eclipse derivative).  I realize it's a "soft" 
lock-in so to speak because it's easy enough to just remove the extra config 
files and do what I want with it.  But, I'm a big KISS guy, so unless I see a 
significant benefit, I don't like adding any extra complexity or dependency to 
a project.

I realize I'm unusual in this respect by the way :)

But, it doesn't much matter I suppose, because I'm increasingly hearing about 
little plug-ins to Eclipse that do begin to make it sound like a value-added 
proposition, even for someone as set in his ways as I am.  As long as the 
learning curve and time to get comfortable with it doesn't turn out to be too 
bad, I could be an Eclipse man a month from now :)  I've been convinced to try!

-- 
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
 
>>
>> --
>> Frank W. Zammetti
>> Founder and Chief Software Architect
>> Omnytex Technologies
>> http://www.omnytex.com
>>
>> On Fri, January 7, 2005 3:44 pm, Jim Barrows said:
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:40 PM
>> >> To: user@struts.apache.org
>> >> Subject: RE: JSP bean
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Eh, you guys and your fancy IDE's :)
>> >>
>> >> I'm a "by-hand" guy, gimme UltraEdit and a command line and
>> >> I'm happy (and more productive than most of the guys here
>> >> using WSAD frankly), but I have to admit, plug-ins like that
>> >> make it tougher to stay that course!
>> >
>> > That's the point behind IDE's... if it gets in the way of
>> productivity,
>> > then dump it.  WSAD is a beast, I much prefer my Eclpse
>> 3.0, with the
>> > MyEclipse, commonclipse, spring and hibernate plugins I use
>> normally.
>> > Much faster then UltraEdit.  Which probably has a plugi for eclipse
>> > anyway.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Frank W. Zammetti
>> >> Founder and Chief Software Architect
>> >> Omnytex Technologies
>> >> http://www.omnytex.com
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, January 7, 2005 3:22 pm, Jim Barrows said:
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:12 PM
>> >> >> To: user@struts.apache.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: JSP bean
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I always include the following method in all my
>> >> >
>> >> > There's a handy plugin called commclipse that I use to create my
>> >> > toStrings, equals, hashCodes and compareTo's.  It also
>> requires the
>> >> > commons-lang jar as well.
>> >> > Right click->commonclipse->toString and voila it either
>> >> creates it or
>> >> > rewrites it.
>> >> > The commons-lang jar has some really cool stuff all by
>> >> itself, including a
>> >> > TostringBuilder. commonclipse just makes it a click away.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> ActionForms... I'm sure you can do the same in whatever bean
>> >> >> you have, or adapt it to be able to pass the bean to it if
>> >> >> you can't modify the bean itself... This will actually show
>> >> >> you all fields AND their values, but you can of course hack
>> >> >> it as you need to...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> import java.lang.reflect.Field;
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   public String toString() {
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     String str = null;
>> >> >>     StringBuffer sb = new StringBuffer(1000);
>> >> >>     sb.append(this.getClass().getName() + " [" +
>> >> >> super.toString() + "] = { ");
>> >> >>     try {
>> >> >>       Field[] fields = this.getClass().getDeclaredFields();
>> >> >>       for (int i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
>> >> >>         if (sb.length() > 0) { sb.append(", "); }
>> >> >>         sb.append(fields[i].getName() + "=" +
>> fields[i].get(this));
>> >> >>       }
>> >> >>       sb.append(" }");
>> >> >>       str = sb.toString().trim();
>> >> >>     } catch (Exception e) { }
>> >> >>     return str;
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   }
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Frank W. Zammetti
>> >> >> Founder and Chief Software Architect
>> >> >> Omnytex Technologies
>> >> >> http://www.omnytex.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, January 7, 2005 3:06 pm, Jim Douglas said:
>> >> >> > To all,
>> >> >> > I have a bean that's present in a JSP, does anyone know
>> >> how to loop
>> >> >> > through
>> >> >> > a bean and list out the properties available?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here's the cose I have
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > <%@ taglib uri="/WEB-INF/struts-bean.tld" prefix="bean" %>
>> >> >> > <%@ taglib uri="/WEB-INF/struts-logic.tld" prefix="logic" %>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > <html><head><title>form.heading</title></head>
>> >> >> >   <center><body><h4><bean:message key="form.heading" /></h4>
>> >> >> >      <logic:present name="forms">
>> >> >> >        <table border="1">
>> >> >> >        <logic:iterate id="forms" name="forms">
>> >> >> >        <tr><td>
>> >> >> >              <bean:write name="forms" property="formName"/>
>> >> >> >           </td>
>> >> >> >           <td>
>> >> >> >              <bean:write name="forms" property="formDesc"/>
>> >> >> >           </td>
>> >> >> >       <td><a href="<bean:write name="forms"
>> >> >> property="formLocation"/>.do
>> >> >> > "/>
>> >> >> >           <bean:write name="forms"
>> property="formLocation"/></a>
>> >> >> >           </td>
>> >> >> >        </tr>
>> >> >> >        </logic:iterate>
>> >> >> >      </table>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >      </logic:present>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >   </body></center>
>> >> >> > </html>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >   I don't know why but "formDesc" can't be found, but the
>> >> >> bean is present
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the JSP/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >   I'm using IntelliJ.  Does anyone know a good IDE or add
>> >> >> in for debugging
>> >> >> > JSP's?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> > Jim
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
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