erm I suppose except for gmail that is ... 

--b

>> My definition of a good web site includes "No Javascript".


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:28:21 -0600, Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.opensourcecms.com
> I use Drupal.
> hth,
> .V
> 
> Jim Barrows wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:49:11 -0500, Erik Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Jim Barrows wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:01 -0800 (PST), nitin dubey
> >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I respectfully disagree with this (unless you guys are talking about
> >>some other specific product or framework that I'm not recognizing) so I
> >>thought you should hear another opinion. I use Struts and like it, and
> >>would even go so far as to say it's the first thing I would consider in
> >>many situations, but I wouldn't tell you that you can't build a good Web
> >>app without it (or any other framework for that matter). I have built
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Building a web app without a pre-built, done ofr you  framework?
> >It's kind of like the difference between going to the tire store and
> >buying a tire, as opposed to sticking a spigot in a rubber tree (or
> >however they get rubber these days), and building it yourself.
> >Then you get into what happens to those who come after you?  The one
> >thing I hate doing is trying to figure out someonelses undocumented
> >framework.  Where do you go for help?  Who's responsible for fixing
> >it?  Where does your client get your expertise if your not available?
> >If I'm not writing business specific code, I'm wasting my clients
> >money.  I use other peoples well known and documented frameworks
> >whenever possible.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>some nice Web applications that didn't use any controller framework
> >>(other than my own) or even any tags or any JavaScript for that matter.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >My definition of a good web site includes "No Javascript".
> >
> >
> 
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