On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:47:03 -0600, Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with your premise. However, some shops like to keep things > elementary -- like to cook their own dog food so they know what it's > made of.
In my expreience, every shop that has done that has failed entirely to acheive anythign close to the Open Source projects in quality. Interestingly, and again in my experience, they have also had less then professional quality code. > > I'm far too lazy to write JDBC calls everywhere, and this seems to be > the dominant behavior of folks :-( Once I get the spit and polish of > my subsystem, I'm going to push it as a better solution -- that was > cooked in-house -- to help speed production and reduce errors (since > folks don't have to write JDBC). The reuse I've seen so far where I'm > at is "Oh, copy this or that". It's true that this is sometimes on > the file level, but I much prefer having drop-in, easily-configurable > components. Hopefully, I'll be able to infect everyone around me with > the same attitude ... Hopefully, but probably not. Besides what's wrong with JDBCUtils? iBatis? Sadly reuse through copy and paste is highly indicative of unprofessional programmers who don't want to learn. I have a feeling you'll probably fail. > > It ain't iBatis (or some other OS package), and it probably never will > be, but it beats the dog out of coding directly to JDBC :-) I totally > agree that "raising the level" above JDBC is an important step ... but > my point is that some of us will have to do the level-raising > ourselves - by hand. > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:50:00 -0600, Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DAO is better, there are SQL based DAO that do not use O/R at all (iBatis). > > Also, there is Spring JDBC wraper. > > 2 good choices. > > > > I too do not use O/R at all. > > > > It just helps you leverage code that is tested and working. > > > > .V > > > > Eddie Bush wrote: > > > > >... actually, some of us. Why? Because our "standards" (rather, the > > >standards of the company we work for) say that we're not using some > > >hot-diggity O/R mapper. > > > > > >There are a myriad of reasons for doing things this way - none of > > >which I'll go in to here. Fact is, what it really boils down to: > > >It's "easy" and whoever comes after you to do maintenance can be > > >reasonably expected to know how to deal with it if it gets broke. > > > > > >... risk management. I have a love/hate relationship with standardization > > >... > > > > > >Peace :-) > > > > > >Eddie > > > > > >On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:05:41 -0600, Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>What does this have to do w/ Struts? > > >>You can at least put a OT: > > >>What DAO type are you using, you should post there. Hibrenate? iBatis? > > >> > > >>Hopefully no one writes their own JDBC handling anymore. > > >> > > >>.V > > >>OT: MS Driver is horrible, everyone uses jTDS in proudction from sf.net > > >>- including 1up.com based on Struts and MS SQL and iBatis DAO > > >> > > >> > > >>Neil Meyer wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>It's causing a lot of problems as my sites get busier. Database > > >>>deadlocks and > > >>>timeouts. > > >>> > > >>>Neil Meyer > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: David Bolsover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>Sent: Tuesday,18 January 2005 10:43 > > >>>To: Struts Users Mailing List > > >>>Subject: RE: JDBC Driver > > >>> > > >>>What is wrong with the Microsoft driver? > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: Neil Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>Sent: 18 January 2005 07:14 > > >>>To: user@struts.apache.org > > >>>Subject: JDBC Driver > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Hi All, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>I need a SQL 2000 JDBC driver. Which would you recommend or where can I > > >>>download a decent one? (Not Microsoft's driver) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Regards > > >>> > > >>>Neil > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>======================================================= > > >>>This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > >>>content using Vet Anti-Virus Protection and is believed > > >>>to be clean. > > >>>======================================================= > > >>> > > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>-- > > >>RiA-SoA w/JDNC <http://www.SandraSF.com> forums > > >>- help develop a community > > >>My blog <http://www.sandrasf.com/adminBlog> > > >> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > RiA-SoA w/JDNC <http://www.SandraSF.com> forums > > - help develop a community > > My blog <http://www.sandrasf.com/adminBlog> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > Eddie Bush > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
