I usually develop with struts, and have been constantly evaluating JSF to see when the time in right to do everything with JSF. As someone who's pretty cynical about new this and that, the ever changing "world according to sun" and so on, I like JSF. As a means of creating complex forms its obviously something thats benefited from the struts experience and .NET.
For the time being I still use struts, I know it works. JSF still has a few rough edges, but even if it does become the future I don't see the huge problem or the need for religous debate. If you see how the form validation and type conversion happens in JSF I cant really see how anyone can argue that this isn't progress. Also from an operational viewpoint, take a html page builder give him/her some JSF tag documentation and ask for a form. Then try the same with struts. With JSF the page builder can move along with no java or xml configuration behind it. Sure you can start using panelGrids and stuff but I'm talking about just using a table strutured html form like you would with struts html tags. Indexed properties in struts, and compare that with a datatable in JSF. Also see how the backing bean already knows something about the list of data. dataModel.getRow() .. Or even if you need to mess with the view in a backing bean this is all relatively straight forward with JSF but not in struts. In terms of the JSP model/validation and the idea of backing beans rather than actionForm and Action, IMO is better. Even if today you're developing struts applications today, I think its important to know whats going on JSF, if not for tommorrow then you know why you're not going to use it. I don't really care for the other stuff JSF does outside of the JSP model. But in terms of comparing struts JSP vs JSF JSP, there are problems and advantages to both. I'd say know something (if not more) about both and other approaches for that matter. The choices will usually boil down to who you can get and what skills they have, not which is better or worse. Mark On Apr 2, 2005 9:55 AM, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We would do things your way, and things would be just great then, > Brian, but you forgot to tell us how we should do things. So we will > all have to muddle by in the ways we can manage, and, additionally, > have to suffer your approbation because you have abandoned us just > when you can see we most need your guidance and wisdom. > > Aside from your obvious superiority to everyone here, how this came > down to anyone's sphincter appearing seemingly free form in your > noodle is beyond me. Maybe you just like writing "sphincter" for some > inexplicable reason. Maybe your butt hurt. This is a conundrum of > major proportions, no? > > I know: this is an April Fool, right? > > Jack > > <SNIP> > On Apr 1, 2005 5:25 PM, Brian Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dakota Jack wrote: > > > > > I have no problem with the diversity. I think that Sun is making an > > > error following NET rather than leading the way with a truly new > > > web-MVC product. They should hire Rod Johnson and whomever he wants > > > to work with and let him go to town doing something that will stand > > > the test of time. > > > > i guess this argument really boils down to whose nose is buried in whose > > sphincter. > > > > what a ridiculous thread. > </SNIP> > > -- > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." > ~Dakota Jack~ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
