> On 6/1/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *snip*
> > Would you be able to code them with c? Forget it.
> 
> Actually, I suspect that alot of these have been coded with C/C++.

As I wrote in the answer to dave: c is not c++. The main problem of c++ was
actually, that they kept all the c-shit (yes powerful, but absolutely
unmaintenable stuff ) in the language. 

> 
> > What we have had was mostly alpha-numeric based terminals (remember 
> > borlands
> > gdi?) with maybe 10-20 business functions.
> > Now, a pissy web-portal has more functionallity then the whole 
> > supercalc suite.
> 
> I think that I doubt this assertion.

Ok... What do you guess, what is the number of use cases for an average
"pissy" web-portal?

> > And talking about "complicated" and "simplicity"... What is 
> simplier 
> > to read, 10 classes a 20 lines java code, or 5000 lines of 
> assembler 
> > code doing the same?
> 
> Now, I don't know what the accepted conversion factor is for 
> Java to assembler, but I think that this question/comparison 
> is flawed.
>
 
I don't know it either, but there were some studies back in the 96, 97 that
an average java developer produces 10-15% more locs a day, then an average c
developer. And by "produces" I mean, tested, working and documented code. I
think to remember that it was 
about 45 loc a day for a c developer, and 55 for a java developer. 

> As a technical lead, if you show me ten classes each 
> containing only 20 lines of code, then you'd better be 
> prepared to explain yourself.

There are as many opinions as there are architects/leads/senior developers.
Next time you have someone with 10x20 send him to me, we are always looking
for good people.

> I'm all for using the OO aspects of Java, but not at the 
> expense of clear, concise code. Most less-experienced Java 
> developers have too many objects, especially for their logic. 
> I hate crawling around a million objects with short methods 
> where the thread bounces around between them and leaves you 
> feeling cross-eyed by the time you get it figured out.

Well... Let's say, i have developed a very selective reading, i only read
books, which tells me, that i'm right... Like (recently) j2ee development
without ejb :-)

Regards
Leon 




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