Niall, you'll get no debate from me that his posts are exactly as you
describe them. I think the quotes you provide illustrate it perfectly
well (and I myself replied to that comment about Indians a few days ago
because it offended me, and I'm about the hardest guy to offend on the
planet!).
But... I would be against removing him from the list because I believe
it sets a dangerous precedent. You know, the slippery slope and all...
it would be too easy in the future to ban others for lesser offenses
(and no matter how everyone says that would never happen, that's what
everyone ALWAYS says when sch things are done for the first time).
The only situation I can think of where I'd be OK with someone being
removed is if they are actually spamming the list regularly. While he
is annoying, obnoxious and inappropriate, I don't believe it rises to
the level of spam.
Besides that, you know as well as I do that banning a particular eMail
address is all but useless if someone is intent on continually annoying
the community like this. I doubt anyone wants to play cop and keep
banning each new address such a person would go and sign up with.
Just my opinion though. :)
Frank
Niall Pemberton wrote:
Pretty much all of Mark Galbreath's posts to this mailing list are IMO
either rude, obnoxious or irrelevant. Its obvious that he has no interest in
Struts or contributing constructively to this community and his only purpose
is to disrupt. Below I include a selection of the rubbish he has posted - I
find this unacceptable and propose that we remove/bar him from the struts
lists.
Niall
http://struts.apache.org/
http://www.mail-archive.com/user%40struts.apache.org/
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From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" user@struts.apache.org
* I just asked one of our analysts about this and she said, "Don't be silly,
it's ALL about the TOOL!" When I asked her what she meant, exactly, she
replied, "The bigger the tool, the more room for error." "And that's a GOOD
thing?" I asked astounded. She assured me that the best programmers she
ever dated had the biggest tools.
* Us "old" guys still know a quiche-eater like you when we see one. If you
can't debug with Lint, get the hell off the keyboard.
*I have noticed over the years that those who are the most adamant about the
virtues of IDEs are the worst programmers...and think emacs is a kid's meal
from McDonalds.
* Craig? Is that old fart still around? I thought he was deeply involved
in JSF now.
* Does it spell-check for you, too? No wonder you need an IDE....
* I see the morons around this list are as gullible to my posts as ever....
* Sun's Creator Studio rulez the inexpensive Java IDE world; JetBrain's IDEA
rulez the $300+ IDEs. Eclipse isn't worth a shit. But REAL programmers
prefer ed or vi.
* Aside from the fact that Validator is a kluge, why ru developing for an
obsolete browser?
* Yes - use .NET or JSF; Struts is dead.
* I have "no doubt" my boss is looking for a friggin' H-1B Indian faggot to
replace me for 1/2 the rate. And I'm leaving for home in a few, so I'll be
back on #funkycodemonkey in about a half an hour. Rick: did you send those
nekid pics of your wife yet? James: when ru going to port struts to a Lisp
framework?
* I know you've missed me! When I signed off the list a couple of years ago
(wow! that long???) I was doing an R&D PHP/MySQL/Linux gig with the Dept of
State; for the past year I've been building C#.NET/SQL Server/IIS apps for
the local county fire and rescue dept. Now, I'm at the Maryland State Board
of Erec..., er, Elections doing system and application upgrades on a
Python/PHP/phpWiki/PostgreSQL-Oracle/Linux portal
(www.elections.state.md.us - horrendous, isn't it?). Covertly, I'm sticking
Mono and Java frameworks in the rebuild, and since I haven't used Struts
since 1.0, thought I'd lurk around and see what's going on.
* Your sure did: C#.NET makes stuff like this soooooo easy! Struts is dead.
* That would be the "Friggin' Ignorant Newbie Encyclopaedia?"
* Your root problem is using Validator in the first place. (1) It is a
bogus design from the start, and (2) it never has worked as advertised
* huh? Me thinks you better be reading the J2EE spec first....
* Validator is crap...and always has been. If you look in the archive, you
will see more complaints about Validator working over the past 3 years and
any other 2 subjects combined.
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