...just trying to keep the conversation lively.  ;-)

~mark


On 6/30/05, M. Bitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sheesh man, I'm not calling for a ban on anyone, but give Niall a break. 
> > Niall is one of the most helpful people I've ever met online. Mark comes in 
> > here and says "Struts is dead" and calls everyone faggots, etc., ad 
> > nauseum. He might behave that way on many lists, but all of us who don't 
> > know him don't know that, and we're not used to it. It doesn't bother me 
> > what people say in general, but if it bothers Niall, and Joe, then suddenly 
> > it bothers me too. These guys work too hard -- for us (at least partially 
> > for us). This list is supposed to be about volunteering -- providing 
> > support for Struts. If I was a new user and I walked into this list 
> > yesterday, I'd be saying to myself, how can Struts really be any good (or 
> > worth it) if this is what it's like to hang out in the community? The 
> > committers don't deserve that. It's just a matter of showing respect for 
> > others. I wouldn't come into your house and purposely grind mud into your 
> > carpet. This is not the Internet at-large, this is the Apache Struts-user 
> > list.
> >
> > Independent thought and trolling aren't the same in my opinion. I'm still 
> > not for a ban on anyone, but if the committers (who do all the work) are 
> > bothered, whose side are you on? How sucky would this list *really* be if 
> > those guys (and all the other guys and gals who volunteer help every day) 
> > went away, and left us with nothing but a mail version of IRC?
> >
> > Erik
> >
> 
> +1 what he said. :)
> 
> There is a difference between expressing conflicting viewpoints,
> infantile behavior, and generally being offensive. If one person's
> behavior is offensive enough to drive people away then that hurts the
> Struts community rather than helps it and I would expect the
> committers to try and fix the problem.
> 
> FWIW, I do find Mark's posts to have little redeeming value and would
> prefer not to be inflicted with them.
> 
> Melissa
> (longtime lurker, infrequent poster)
> 
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