On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote: } With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of } .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof. } Any dumb can do a few clicks followed by intelligent editor to prompt and } spoon feed whats to be written, and then the IDE creates a code, which makes } any dumb with or without any intelligence, a programmer.
You clearly missed my post on the advantages C# has over Java, IDE notwithstanding. The language itself is more convenient, in that common idioms require fewer lines of code. Sure, you can tell me that Eclipse or whatnot takes the drudgery out of getters and setters, but I can tell you that the C# language itself avoids that drudgery. You can also tell me that there are Java tools to make the unpleasant task of developing a JSP tag easier, but I can tell you that C# and ASP.NET make encapsulating functionality in custom tags comfortable and easy. Furthermore, it is at least three times easier (i.e. takes 1/3 the lines of code) to express event handling in C# than in Java. C# has other advantages as well (I'm particularly excited about the coming C# improvements, which include a very nice way of expressing iteration), but those three are sufficient basis for the points below. If you are an idiot, you can produce crappy code that may actually work. This is, indeed, more likely using Visual Studio (though I'd claim the days of it being truly easy were over when VB6 went away) than in Java. Ultimately, however, if you want solid, dependable, maintainable, scalable software then you need good software engineering, and no IDE or language will change that. If you have good software engineers, it then becomes a concern of how much do they have to do to accomplish the task, which boils down to lines of code. (A better software engineer will accomplish the same task in fewer lines of code, but there is a lower limit on the lines of code required to express any specific functionality.) With C# in particular, and ASP.NET to some extent, the number of lines of code required (whether or not you count lines generated by your IDE of choice) to express any given functionality is generally less than that required to do the same thing in Java. This is based on my experience, of course, but also based on the specific advantages I listed above; they are common idioms, which means that saving a few lines of code in the numerous places in your program where you use those idioms adds up. } Unfortunately in java, we still have a long way to go before we promote } idiots to the coder level.. We are progressing in that direction, but I } guess we still have some time before that..till then I hope to retire.. :) I am not interested in having idiots coding. There are two problems with coding by idiots: 1) They often become managers (or already were) and can't understand why it takes so long for those lazy software engineers to accomplish the tasks before them. I mean, after all, when they slapped together that VB app in a week it worked great! 2) Once the idiots have produced their crappy code, it becomes some software engineer's problem to maintain it, make it scalable, etc. and it's just unpleasant to deal with crappy code. Even worse is when management ties the software engineers' hands and prevents them from treating the crap code as a working prototype (i.e. which should now be rewritten) and forces them to keep it alive as is. Also note that there are huge distinctions between a coder, a programmer, and a software engineer. The coder produces (working?) code. The programmer can produce working code that accomplishes a medium to large task with some eye toward efficiency. The software engineer can produce well thought out, working, maintainable, scalable code that provides hooks for potential future development. I hate working with coders. Programmers are useful, but require guidance. } Thanks and Regards, } Nitish Kumar --Greg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
