This is a tricky one...
On the one hand, I agree, taking away someones' income for any reason is
serious business. It sounds like Niall recognizes what he did
probably wasn't the best choice. That recognition wouldn't seem to me
to matter much now though, does it?
Yet on the other hand, you probably shouldn't say anything in a public
forum that you would have a problem getting back to anyone. Don't say
anything you aren't willing to stand behind 100% and take whatever
consequences come with it, or at least don't say something you aren't
willing to fully retract and apologize for later (understanding that
there may come a time when that isn't an option any longer).
An abrasive sense of humor is not carte blanche to say whatever you
want. Contrary to what we learn as kids, sticks and stones can very
much hurt you. You have the freedom to say whatever you want, as does a
person to complain about it to your employer. I don't think either
action is appropriate however.
Having a freedom means exercising it responsibly, not simply exercising
it because you can. This would seem to me to apply equally well to both
sides of this.
Quite a big mess this is. A very unfortunate event we all bear witness to.
Frank
Brian Lee wrote:
Wow, this is shockingly lame. Like amazingly lame. To mess with
someone's livlihood because you think they are an jerk is inexcusable.
BAL
From: "Niall Pemberton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org>
Subject: Re: banned
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:10:08 +0100
I cc'd them on the message I sent to this list in a moment of madness
at the
rubbish arriving in my inbox and which I now regret.
http://www.mail-archive.com/user%40struts.apache.org/msg29119.html
Niall
----- Original Message -----
From: "blah blah blah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: banned
I am absolutely NOT kidding.
The point is NOT that I was using my government email address to
subscribe to a technical mail list. Nor is it that I was posting
irreverent nonsense. The point is that somebody on this list copied
selective posts with my government email address in the subject line
and then notified the State agency in which I was employed. The
archive clearly show who did this, and was a dispicable act and
violation of Net ethos. Never before in 20 years of using the
Internet for communication have I heard of anybody doing something
like this.
I signed back on to struts-user to find out what is happening with
struts these days. Those of you who have known me on this list (and
others, and personally) for years know that my sense of humor (or lack
thereof) is abrasive, but never was any harm meant. What is next?
DOS attacks on IP addresses by people who disagree with the
committers? I was helping people learn struts on this list before
most of the present subscribers knew Java; I have an acknowledgement
in Chuck Cavaness' O'Reilly book, "Programming Struts;" I'm the one
who started the [FRIDAY] humor posts, remember?
Look in the archive for the subject with
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in it and you can see for yourself
who did this. Watch what you say and where you say it from - you
could be next.
It looks like I have been banned from the list; Craig says he approves.
~mark
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> On Jul 6, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Mark Galbreath wrote:
>
>> Thanks to whomever emailed last weeks nonsense thread to the Director
>> of the Board of Elections. It made me look like a racist and I was
>> fired this morning. The State is also looking into whether my use of
>> an official email address for that discussion is in violation of state
>> law. You did your work well, you low-life bastard.
>>
>> Signing off....
>> Mark
>>
>> On 6/30/05, Thai Dang Vu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> 3) "Struts! It's not just for H-1Bs!"
>>>
>>> So, I can get a H1B just by learning Struts and use it decently? :)
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