Brandon-
Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these
premises
The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at
1c/hour
which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers'
This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your usage
habits..
Viel Gluck,
M-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Goodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org>; "Martin Gainty"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle
behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never
complain and just take their 2 cents an hour.
And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D
Brandon
On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the
wrong religious views
we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced
My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect
views)
get work in Germany
Vielen Danke,
Martin-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bollmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations
[OT]
> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM:
>> > Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read
>> > your terms of employment, and the reference to "IT acceptible use
>> > policy" that you inadvertantly agreed to.
>>
>> (the below has nothing to do with Mark)..
>>
>> For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for
>> 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear
>> your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they
>> want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use
>> of the press etc).
>
> Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon,
> I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the
> company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my
> employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs
> or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and
> last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither
> my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy
> to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of
> working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons,
> including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of
> e-mail usage and the like is another issue.
>
>> Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company
>> email domain name to post on sites such as "swingers" or
>> "transvestitepride," I think I should have right to terminate his or
>> her's employment. What I have a problem with is ...
>>
>> 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today
>> talks about "tolerance." But what does this mean? What it ends up
>> meaning is "There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief
>> system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments." But
>> what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel
>> otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid
>> religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's
>> sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant'
>> are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that
>> disagrees with their view of "tolerance." There are many views I
>> could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet,
>> somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state "All views on X,Y,orZ
>> are equally acceptable." To me, and many others, that later position
>> can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular
>> humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are
>> some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy.
>
> In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious
> freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional
> Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views
> is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal
> saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide
> can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in-
> cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to
> eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong,
> and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when
> confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As
> for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG
> which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for
> hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never
> would use a company e-mail address for anything other
> than business communication, and whoever deliberately
> chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits
> of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will.
>
>> 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's
>> employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame.
>
> Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly
> a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge.
>
> -- Christian.
>
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