It is interesting to see PHP that has simple programming models defeat Java in real applications.
This leads to a question: Do Java best programming models and frameworks conter-productive for real applications and sites? The new frameworks, other than struts, I like Spring. I would not use JSF unless JSF had some real applications (based on Sun's reputation on their new technologies). John H. Xu http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Perry" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:53 +0100 > > PHP / (origional) JSP are the same stuff really. Scripted web page. Main > difference is php not OO (well, the api isnt), and php doesnt require any > declarations/typing - which makes it nicer for less able programmers. > > But the big difference is server requirements. JSP uses a lot more server > resources. PHP can be made available on the cheapest mass virtual hosting > servers. JSP (let alone full java web apps) cant. > > Also, pretty much anyone with any programming skills can pick up php in a > couple of days. Same cant be said for e.g. Struts+Java+JSP+Servlet etc. > > This is why i am forced to use php for most sites (ok, so i normally pass it > on to someone else here), and i tend to use struts for larger sites/apps > that are going to be hosted internally/on dedicated servers. > > Daniel. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 26 July 2005 04:17 > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! > > > > > > JSF has been there for a while. We have to see how it does in > > real applications. > > > > EJB has been there for many years, but its complexity of > > configuration (at least before mature tools were developed) kept > > many J2EE projects expensive and over budgets (bad ROI examples). > > > > Thus we have so many frameworks in Java. Sun is to be blamed for > > always providing UNPROVEN technologies for java. In many cases, > > following sun too closely is not wise. > > > > PHP was great but I hope java can catch up in real application. > > > > John H. Xu > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: netsql > > To: user@struts.apache.org > > Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! > > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:13:05 -0500 > > > > > > > > John Public wrote: > > > > After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently > > > > confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts > > > > becoming OBSOLETE. > > > > > > :-) Enhydra and Torque would say that too circa 2001. > > > Put up a site and lets see it. > > > > > > > Let's all get > > > > behind JSF before MS takes over the web. > > > > > > Nothing wrong w/ C# IMO. > > > I think PHP is "best(fast and cheap, lowest risk, most roi)" for > > > "genric" server side rendering applications. (But then... I think > > > the future is client side rendering ) > > > If JSF(or EJB) fails, it won't be becuase somone did not "get > > behind it". > > > > > > Competition should give us best answer, and I am all for using > > > better tech. Every few years I'd like a new tech please. > > > > > > > > > -- .V > > > > > > People are conversing... without posting their email or filling up > > their > > > mail box. > > > roomity.com > > > > > > No sign up to read or search this Rich Internet App. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > > > -- > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm
