> This is very interesting... I need to know more.
> 
> My biggest concern (right now) with switching to JSF is having 
> to teach our web designers JSF tages.
> They want to work in HTML and Javascript and use there favorite 
> Web design tools (e.g. Dreamweaver).
> They also often have to begin designing the pages and flow etc
> before any of the application is ready.
> 
> Where can I find more info on this?
> 

The documentation is pretty light.  The features documentation has not been 
updated for the full html views yet.
http://struts.apache.org/shale/features.html#clay
http://people.apache.org/~craigmcc/shale-clay-javadocs/


But, the rolodex usecase example in the nightly builds shows the three types of 
Clay composition including full html views.
http://cvs.apache.org/builds/struts/nightly/struts-shale/use-cases/

We encourage your feedback :-)

Gary

>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:18 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [OT] JSP Clutter
> 
> From: "Michael Jouravlev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > With Tapestry you create HTML template for each page, then stick data
> > into it, using jwcid attribute. Your webdesigner is happy.
> 
> > With JSF you compose page using JSF tags either manually or using
> > visual IDE, and then JSP/JSF engine will generate HTML in the runtime
> > (I don't know how HTML is generated if you do not wrap JSF markup with
> > JSP). Your webdesigner is not too happy, he needs to learn new IDE and
> > the final page design may be not too... er... artistic, as with plain
> > HTML/Tapestry.
> 
> Or... with JSF + Shale,  you create an HTML template for each page, then
> 
> stick data into it, using the 'jsfid' attribute.  Your webdesigner is
> happy 
> again. ;)
> 
> Here's an example using Shale's Tapestry-like views from the Rolodex in
> the 
> 'use cases' webapp:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/struts/shale/trunk/use-cases/src/web/r
> olodex/address.html?rev=209993&view=markup
> 
> -- 
> Wendy Smoak 
> 
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