YES! That's it! Thank you for reminding me! No, on second thought, d**n you for reminding me :-) LOL
-- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com On Wed, August 10, 2005 1:53 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > VisualAge for Java, Remember it well. I went through the same senerio > with it's EJB generator. > > > > > > "Frank W. > Zammetti" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To > com> "Struts Users Mailing List" > <user@struts.apache.org> > 08/10/2005 01:34 cc > PM "Struts Users Mailing List" > <user@struts.apache.org> > Subject > Please respond to RE: Nice try (was Java code > "Struts Users generator including Struts 1.2) > Mailing List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > he.org> > > > > > > > > Anyone who has read this list for a while knows my feeling on automated > code generation... saying it's a crime against humanity might be > overstating my opinion a bit, but not by much :) > > I think Greg says it well though... I never had a problem using the > application wizard in Visual C++... it just created a very simple skeleton > application, everything else was up to me. I have no problem with that. > Plug-ins that generate simple beans I can live with. Utilities that let > me enter a list of basic information on class members and spit out the > skeletal class code for me are fine. > > Those tools that take in a WSDL file and spit out a very basic Web Service > client from it are OK, barely... they haven't crossed that line I don't > want crossed yet, but they are on the way... > > I remember having to deal with some Swing code that was created by a > junior programmer using some IDE (I forget which frankly, it's not on the > market any more - I want to say it was IBM's old one before WSAD, but I > might be wrong). The code was such an immense tangle of crap it still > makes me shudder to think of it all these years later. THAT is the kind > of code generator that will NEVER be allowed in my shop, no matter how > productive it might make lesser developers. I don't care how easy and > fast it is to drag some pictrues on a canvas, draw some lines to show > interactions, enter a little bit of additional info and get essentially a > whole applicatio out... that kind of stuff won't go on where I have any > say in the matter. The cost in the long-run so far outweighs the > immediate benefits as to be laughable, or so has been my experience > anyway. > > -- > Frank W. Zammetti > Founder and Chief Software Architect > Omnytex Technologies > http://www.omnytex.com > > On Wed, August 10, 2005 1:18 pm, Lindholm, Greg said: >> That's a very narrow view of code generators. >> There are plenty of domains where the generator is used once to give the >> programmer a starting point. >> (I'm not commenting on nor judging this guys stuff.) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:05 PM >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >> Subject: AW: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2) >> >> Hmm... I think you clearly offence the rule one for generators: >> generated code should never be touched! >> >> Regards >> leon >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
