Greg Reddin wrote:

> I don't have any experience with the render kit, so I may have missed 
> the point of it.  Keep in mind that my comments are based on very 
> limited experience with JSF so I hope if I've missed something  someone
> else will correct me.  But, when going through some tutorials  and
> creating very simple pages I still found Tiles useful for  templating.  
> I'll leave it to someone more familiar with JSF to say  for sure :-)

Actually JSF is one of the systems where you have to give yourself time
to see the benefits, it also was a rough start for me and sort of a love
at the second look, because at the first look no matter which system
you come from you often miss such details and then think this is
impossible to solve or missing.
But jsf itself is pretty complete in most aspects, and what is missing
is delivered by extension frameworks and component sets.

You seldomly nowadays run into any issue where you have to put hands on
the base, ajax probably being one of the most problematic areas, the
rest is covered pretty well. Even the whole scoping issue which is
rather problematic in many other frameworks.


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