Ted says "Yes" but I say "No". Listen to everyone. Make the "we" more than the people that have committing "power". Most people that correspond on this list are not committers. I personally will listen to anyone on this list and make up my own mind. But, thanks for the rejected advice. People like Frank, Rick, etc. are more sensible, in my mind than most committers. The top commiters, people like Craig and Ted have clear agendas having not that much to do with the product, which Ted says does not exist.
On 12/6/05, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/5/05, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Note -- in order to avoid confusion, though, please listen to what the > > Struts *committers* are saying, and doing. There are lots of off the wall > > comments on this thread (and others like it) that represent personal > > opinions about what is happening, versus what the committers have agreed to > > and are actually doing. > > Yes, I think a lot of the confusion comes about because people forget > that in an ASF project, the workers, not bosses, make the decisions. > We don't make the same decisions a boss would make. We make decisions > based on consensus and collaboration, and what we engineers can do > together. > > Our committers live in the real world, and have real jobs, and we all > work for different companies. In fact, the ASF board becomes concerned > if too many commtters on a project share an employer. In a way, we are > working expert group of front-line engineers. Some of our committers > want or need to use JSF for new projects. Some of our committers want > to stay the course. Many need to use both Shale and Action now for > different projects. From what I hear, that's a reflection of the rest > of the industry right now. > > I doubt that JSF will be the end of the line. In another five or ten > years, it will be something else. When something else comes along, > then maybe the committers working on one framework or the other, or > both, can all collaborate on "Struts Kalamazoo". If not this decade, > then the next. > > -Ted. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." ~Dakota Jack~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
