By the way, do you really think Tomcat is really "an implementation of JSP / Servlets" and "hence a partial implementation of J2EE"? You throw the word "implementation" around like a first semester student at a second rate community college. You cannot use words every which way you want and do so properly, you know. I would strongly suggest you look at Tomcat code and see what really is there. You might find it fascinating, if you are not to busy walking backwards. By the way, did anyone know what Bo Jangles holds the world record in running the 100 yard dash backwards? I don't know what made me think of that. Interesting though! No?
On 12/13/05, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mainly I thought I'd interrupt the ranting :) > > And what's tomcat if it's not an implementation of JSP / Servlets, and > hence a partial implementation of J2EE? > > -- > > "His comrades fought beside him, Van Owen and the rest... > But of all the thompson gunners- Roland was the best." > > Josh McDonald > Analyst Programmer > Information Technology > Ph: 61 7 3006 6460 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/12/2005 4:38:20 pm >>> > And, Josh, last time I looked JSP was not on the list we are talking > about. > So, what was your point? > > On 12/13/05, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Last I checked servlets / jsp were part of J2EE. > > > > -- > > > > "His comrades fought beside him, Van Owen and the rest... > > But of all the thompson gunners- Roland was the best." > > > > Josh McDonald > > Analyst Programmer > > Information Technology > > Ph: 61 7 3006 6460 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/12/2005 4:31:21 pm >>> > > Preston, none of those examples are J2EE. They can be used with > J2EE > > but > > they have nothing to do with anything beyond J2SE. > > > > > > On 12/13/05, Preston Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know what the future will hold. JSF may win the day on > > nothing > > > > but marketing alone. It has the force of being a "standard", > and > > while > > > > not all standards ultimately succeed, it certainly is a leg up > on > > other > > > > > > I would argue that with Java (J2EE specifically) "standards" have > > largely > > > just "emerged". Think of all the examples. > > > > > > Tomcat > > > Ant > > > Struts > > > JUnit > > > Hibernate > > > > > > That's, by and large, the "standard" J2EE toolkit. And by that I > mean > > that > > > while we may have WebSphere, Tapestry, Maven, EJBs, etc. there's a > > certain > > > concensus out there and the tools in the first list are what have > > the > > > mindshare now. > > > > > > So my point of interest is this. JSF, from what I'm seeing here > > > (especially when the actual developers of Struts talk about their > > reasons > > > for jumping to JSF) and reading elsewhere is actually succeeding > IN > > SPITE > > > of the fact that it's not sitting in the OpenSource non-standard > > seat, as > > > Tapestry is. I find this interesting. It was bound to happen > > eventually, > > > that one of Sun's reference implementations would actually become > a > > > standard. I know, EJB is a standard. But look how many people have > > been > > > abandoning that in favor of more lightweight solutions, once those > > > solutions presented themselves. > > > > > > So I think the fact that JSF is getting traction IN SPITE of the > fact > > that > > > it isn't quite as open, hasn't been open sourced as long as > Tapestry, > > etc. > > > is a testament to the fact that developers appear to like it. I > just > > > wanted to know (and you all have been immensely helpful in this > > respect) > > > if you could get done with it, what you can with Struts. Thus the > > question > > > wasn't "Is JSF better than Struts?" The question was "Is JSF > ready?" > > > > > > And that is the question for me. I know what I can and can't do in > > Struts. > > > I've been programming with it for 5 years. I know its power and I > > also > > > know I've been involved with some amazingly convoluted hacks to > make > > it do > > > what we needed. A framework that handles more of the > > request/response > > > plumbing for me is welcome. A framework where *maybe* I can use > tools > > that > > > are WYSIWYG if I want is appealling after 5 years of hand-coding > XML > > > descriptor files that are gigantic. A framework that handles > requests > > and > > > responses and doesn't push as far back into the business tier is > > welcome > > > to me. > > > > > > So I like the idea of JSF. Just like I like the idea of Tapestry > and > > even > > > Ruby on Rails. I just wanted to know if you could write a JSF app > > today > > > and be reasonably sure that you could do easy validation on the > > server, be > > > relatively efficient in it and not run into major snafus with > > application > > > server differences. > > > > > > Preston > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its > > back." > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > Messages included in this e-mail and any of its attachments are > those > > of the author unless specifically stated to represent WorkCover > > Queensland. 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