oops ... don't try to tab while using gmail :) I was trying to indent my
code by instinct using tab and hit tab and 'end' to the end of the line an
enter:) .... caused a send. I'l continue in another email.

On 12/17/05, Rick R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12/16/05, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am not suggestign you create a new business object. I am suggesting
> > you create a new object for input purposes. You need a transport layer
> > between your model and the web; thus you have an ActionForm. But you need to
> > pad your ActionForm with additional objects because of the complexity of
> > your app.
>
>
>
> In a sense though they "do" become duplicat objects of standard POJOs that
> you use in the backend. You keep mentioning you only need to add the
> properties that you need for input, and sure that's fine, that might save
> you a couple minutes of work not having to add those properties, but I'll
> explain more about the problem with that later.
>
> >
> >
> > No. You only create properties for the values you need for INPUT. As I
> > said in previous emails, if you have a business object with 50 properties
> > but only need to capture input for 3, your input object only needs 3
> > properties.
>
>
>
> I understand that you can do something like you mention above, but have
> you tried to do that? It brings me back full circle to my original point
> that I haven't found a clean solution at all.  Say we are back to a list of
> users and each user has multiple "addresses." You want to update all the
> address information for each address including the Integer "zipCode." Are
> you going to make a new object called AddressWithPropsForJustInput - even
> though you need to input 99% of what's alredy in "Address" (as Strings)
> except for the zip (thus duplicating 99% of what already exsists). Doing
> this will also require a new Employee object that can take your
> "AddressWithPropsForJustInput" so that you can populate your list of
> EmployeesWitPropsJustForInput in your ActionForm. You then have to get all
> this info back into a List of regular Employees - and if you didn't
> lazyLists up front inside of Employee - you are going to have a nice ugly
> time looping through everything and recreating objects and populating your
> input fields into them.
>
> Bottom line is it is going to be *extremely* messy - I've actually tried
> using that approach as well. I've tried even embedding the value objects
> into my ActionForm DTOs - for example
>
> AddressWithPropsJustForInput {
>    Address address; //standard value object from domain
> setAddress(..)// puts an Address object into the object. Th
>
>
>
> --
> Rick




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