Dave Newton wrote:
[...] to ignore the bad parts of human nature would be folly
Devil's Dictionary entry for "communism"?
Is that a real work? I'm not aware of it.
There are better places to "get your legs" than something like Struts.
You know, I've always thought it would be cool to have [potentially
usable] projects where there could be code reviews, advice given, etc.
to any developer that wanted to participate, as a sort of "mentoring
project" kind of thing. Perhaps it would have to be funded by the
contributers, a company, school, or something as it would undoubtedly
take large chunks of time, but it could be interesting.
That's not at all a bad idea. I've been in the teacher/mentor position
many times, and I quite enjoyed it. I know what teachers mean when they
say they enjoy seeing the light of understanding come on in someones'
eyes. Its a good feeling.
I think you could do a project like that at SourceForge... just create a
master project with a bunch of sub-module under it and advertise it in
the right places.
Interestingly, I think you would *still* have to guard commit privileges
to some degree, again to guard against malicious intent. It isn't hard
for me to envision some wise-a** little punk kid coming along and
committing a bunch of garbage just to mess with those trying to learn.
In this case, a simple sign-up mechanism might be sufficient, but I
think the problem is still a valid concern.
Sure, you could always back it out if you had to [...]
...which obviously takes even _more_ time: not only do you have to find
the source of the trouble but everywhere the trouble touches, and this
would lead to massive headaches very quickly, so I completely agree:
commit access must be guarded.
Ditto :)
I think that any project has to have some coherent message and a
person who visits your website and starts looking at the mail archive
and so on has to be able to figure out quite quickly "WTF is struts"
and to have such an incoherent message due to this Action/Shale
bifurcation seems very negative. It just seems complicated and confused.
I think it is fair to say you are not alone in that opinion. What can
be done about it, other than voicing the concern, I don't know. And
heck, those that hold that opinion *could* be wrong.
_Definitely_ not alone... I think that _if_ these will both be under the
Struts umbrella (which seems a Bad Idea to me) there needs to be a
_very_ clear, explicit declaration that they are _very_ different
animals, serve _very_ different needs, and are_ definitely_not_ the same
thing.
Ted's post about what can be done I think was excellent, and any of us
that have these types of concerns should take it to heart. I'm already
formulating some ideas for a proposal in my head... look for something
over the next few days (I'm on vacation this week, so it depends on how
busy my wife keeps me with house work :) ). Even if the proposal is
voted on and rejected, it would still be a codification of the concerns
that some may have, and that's worth something on its own.
Dave
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