Moose,
Open source software, like every other human endeavor, is political. It
has politics.
I have engaged here in some forthright political speech about
open-source software development issues. I did not even initiate the
discussion. It was already going on.
You seem to have a very basic misconception. You really seem to think
that people have to agree with my political views to use FreeMarker or
any other thing I am involved with.
That is simply not the case. The FreeMarker community is really a pretty
good community. You can ask questions and make suggestions, and we will
be as helpful as we can. We always have been. It's not a problem. On a
technical plane, you can interact with me and the rest of the people
perfectly well. On a technical plane, if people ask me questions here, I
will be as helpful as I can.
Using FreeMarker is quite straightforward anyway. We have pretty good
docs. So the vast majority of people who use it have no interaction with
us. Very likely, except for the minority subscribe to the list or
happened on the "Who We Are" page they do not even know who I am and
don't care. They just use the thing. And that's normal.
FreeMarker was chosen as the default presentation technology in Webwork
2.2, not because of the political views of any of its developers, but
for solid technical reasons.
If this community wants to go the route of making technology decisions
based on personalities and politics rather than the technical
considerations, they are free to do so. But this would doom you to
technical mediocrity from the start. Other, competing products, that do
not operate under these constraints, and simply use the best tools for
the job, will eat your lunch.
Moose, it is very sad that you feel such fear, that you feel obliged to
interact here anonymously, and even then, to do so with such
trepidation, lest you might offend somebody. Wouldn't it be great to
live without fear, to just be able to talk, to say forthrightly what you
think about stuff? Imagine the next time some pretentious poo-bah at
your job says something that you really think is just hot air, you could
just say: "Hey, that's bull****. Here's why." Wouldn't that be great?
Of course, your work environment is not like that. But the open source
world is like that. Well, I thought it was. Sh*t, maybe I was mistaken.
:-( But if this is just like the corporate environment and we're not
getting paid to be here, then what are we doing here? Is this just
masochism?
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
Hey Nony Moose wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Vinny wrote:
Seriously I'd rather use Spring, Wicket or Rife than use something
made by people like this guy.
Yeah, it's terrible. Just so you guys can make better informed
technical decisions, I'll disclose ...snip... terrible table manners
...snip... horrendous slurping ...snip... belcher and farter.
...snip... so that people can make the right technical decisions.
Jonathan Revusky
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
(caveat: I have no dog in the fight. I am somwhat concerned that there
is a fight going on and I am sincerely hopeful for a good outcome for
each of the combatants, and I see irony and sarcasm as possible
train-wreckage removal or beautification devices. And I'm a user not a
dev, so you won't see me continuing this on the dev list.)
Wow. Jonathan, you must be very confident of your income stream! (I'm
not, as a reference point) You must be one of these "I've made so much
money by now, I really don't care what people think of me" developers.
(I'm not, as a reference point) Or perhaps you rely on your technical
skill being so unavoidably evident that you can be publicly "direct"
(ahem) and get away with it. (I can't, as a reference point)
:( ... sigh ... it is quite different to those of us who have to
hide behind newbie politeness or just pathetic anonymity in case we say
something either so rude or so tehnically stupid that a future employer
will notice it and cut us off their interview list. It brings to mind
the cartoon of Dilbert going to work in a bathrobe because he'd realised
his *actual* worth to the company.
Mind you I don't agree (a little understated) with the strategy of being
rude as a practice. I think that one has to factor in the 90%
non-verbal content of face-to-face communications that goes missing in
email conversations. Perhaps if this entire conversation had occured at
a JUG or cafe (or under the supervision of a panel of psychiatrists and
professional wrestlers), we would have noticed the little smiles
grimaces and so forth that each other were dressing our faces with and
kept some of the lines a little more guarded. But gosh, here I am, a
nobody giving newbie advice to gurus. sigh.
Sadly I recall Jonathan's first email to the list, and an early reply
from one of the leads saying a warm "welcome". Perhaps I'll dig it out
of the archive and repost it for a glowing moment ... like "It was a
nice warm morning in Hiroshima on August 6 and there was the sound of a
plane overhead ... I always liked the sound of airplanes flying over and
... ".
Won't it be disappointing to see the first technical decision of the WW2
Struts merger be that the default presentation whatever is changed from
Freemarker to XXX, purely based on an unworkable inter-team personality
confict rather than any tech criteria?
And I can't understand why this thread hasn't been slashdotted yet ...
"OS Gurus Flay Each Other and Set a New Direction for the Entire
Internet, While MS Laughs" from the my-pattern-is-better-than-yours dept
Oh, by the way ... what's "disrupting the market" mean?
Mourning Moose
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