Am 30.08.2021 um 21:26 schrieb Peter Kronenberg:
Hmm, you’re right. I tried it on another form (The downloadable 1040
from irs.gov) and it does list the values of the form fields (of
course, you’d have to do the mapping yourself, so you know that field
f1_02 is first name)
But it didn’t work on the sample file I had, which unfortunately, I
can’t share.
It’s definitely not a scanned file. What are the requirements for
allowing this to happened? Is there a way to convert a PDF to XFA?
Not in PDFBox nor in Tika. XFA is a deprecated format that isn't really
part of PDF.
Tilman
<div class="xfa_form"><ol> <li fieldName="c1_01">c1_01: 0</li>
<li fieldName="f1_01">f1_01: </li>
<li fieldName="f1_02">f1_02: John</li>
<li fieldName="f1_03">f1_03: Smith</li>
<li fieldName="f1_04">f1_04: </li>
<li fieldName="f1_05">f1_05: </li>
<li fieldName="f1_06">f1_06: </li>
<li fieldName="f1_07">f1_07: </li>
<li fieldName="f1_08">f1_08: 123 Main St</li>
<li fieldName="f1_09">f1_09: </li>
<li fieldName="f1_10">f1_10: </li>
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*From:* Tim Allison <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2021 3:01 PM
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*Subject:* Re: Form fields and other issues with PDF files
Sorry for not responding sooner.
>When extracting text from PDF files (no OCR), there doesn’t seem to
be any way to link the text that was filled in with the name of the
form field. For example, if there is a field marked ‘First Name’ and
the user fills that in, they likely appear on different lines and
different places, with no way to associate them. Is there any way to
do this?
Can you share an example file? I thought we were marking field names
and contents with <div> elements for AcroForms. If you're processing
XFA, I'm pretty sure we try to associate form keys and values.
If the form is not well put together or if it is a scan of a form,
there's not much we can do.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:40 PM Peter Kronenberg
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Is this capability of associating form fields with their data
something that PDF Box doesn’t even support? Just want to
understand if it’s just the capability of Tika or if PDFBox
doesn’t even have a way to do it
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Am 30.08.2021 um 18:47 schrieb Peter Kronenberg:
Is there a way to extract just the form field data? That way,
if it was a known form, it might be easier to match up the
responses with the fields they belong to
I looked at PDFParserConfig and didn't find such an option. Even
if there was, I doubt it would help match.
Tilman
I’ll take a look at Tabula for the tables
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Field texts: there is no formal way to do this in the PDF
specification.
Tables: try Tabula, they use heuristics
Strike-out text: one is a font, the other a vector graphic (or
an annotation). So it's not connected. One would have to write
an algorithm.
Tilman
Am 27.08.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Peter Kronenberg:
1. When extracting text from PDF files (no OCR), there
doesn’t seem to be any way to link the text that was
filled in with the name of the form field. For
example, if there is a field marked ‘First Name’ and
the user fills that in, they likely appear on
different lines and different places, with no way to
associate them. Is there any way to do this?
2. It’s also sometimes difficult to figure out how tables
are extracted. If I have a 2 column table, it seems
to ignore the tabular format and just extract text
line by line. In this example (ignoring the
hand-written text), it gets extracted as
‘Comprehensive General Liability (including, if $2.0
million’
3. Deleted, or strike-out text, is extracted with no
indication
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