Hi Peter, I totally agree with you that the project is lacking good getting started documentation.
The analogy that is right depends on each ones point of view. Mine has its truth, but I admit yours does too. Please try to copy the jars to the position and give it a try. Turbine seems to be very complicated, and in deed to get a first running setup is hard and cumbersome, but that is solely because of licensing issues. Let me advice you, that if you run into issues where some jars cannot be found or downloaded, there is one more place to look. http://turbine.apache.org/repo/ If you were into maven a bit more, I would elaborate, but since you may not use maven its worthless. Thanks for pointing us to the bug within meta. I will look into it myself, and double check. Maybe if I can find the time, I will start writing some getting started Stuff. As frustrating as it is for you, it is for me to sit here and not being able to get started on turbine. Please let us know if you got a working setup. Kind regards Juergen > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. März 2009 23:37 > An: Turbine Users List > Betreff: RE: Getting started > > Hi again, > > First, I'm not suggesting that someone should magic some documentation > just > for me. What I'm saying is that it's disappointing that no user docs > are > available, and it makes Turbine pretty much impossible to get started > with. > > Second, the Ferrari analogy isn't really a good one. Think instead of > new > hi-tech machine that can make beautiful pictures, but it's complicated; > and > you look in the user manual and the only instructions are to tell you > how > to download a picture that someone made using this wonderful machine. > It > doesn't even tell you where the on-off switch is, let alone how to use > it > to make your own pictures. > > To get back to practicalities - assuming I copy the mail.jar and > activation.jar files into place and run Maven again: is that going to > get > sources from somewhere so that I can figure out how to use Turbine? > I'll > try it and see but I'm not hopeful, and as I've mentioned, if this demo > doesn't contain some information that shows someone new to Turbine how > to > build an application, it's all but useless. To put it another way: > imagine > trying to learn how to use Velocity when all you have is the jar file > and > the javadocs; how far do you think you'd get? > > Pete > > > > > "Juergen > Hoffmann" > <hoffm...@apache. > To > org> "'Turbine Users List'" > <[email protected]> > 03/03/2009 01:37 > cc > PM > > Subject > RE: Getting started > Please respond to > "Turbine Users > List" > <[email protected] > che.org> > > > > > > > Hi, see below... > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. März 2009 20:55 > > An: Turbine Users List > > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Getting started > > > > Yes, I tried the turbine:deploy step but it failed because it was > > unable to > > download the JavaMail and Activation Framework jars (which I have, > > actually, but I don't understand Maven well enough to know how I can > > push > > these into the repository). > > [JH> ] > [JH> ] find your user.home/.maven/repository directory underneath it > you > should find a directory javax.mail and javax.activation. Put the jars > in > the > jars folder inside of each directory. > > > > > But that's not the point. I have to point out that I'm trying to > > evaluate > > Turbine, not Meta or Maven, and I don't time to fix these or even to > > spend > > the time understanding them - right now, either they work and get the > > Turbine app built, or they don't. We have no use for these, and if > it's > > not > > possible to build a Turbine app without one or both then that's the > end > > of > > it. But most important is that without sources, the demo is > worthless. > > As I > > pointed out earlier, Velocity (and Betwixt, and Digester, and > > Configuration...) have sample code and simple instructions that can > get > > you > > working with them in a few hours at most. Turbine is *BADLY* lacking > in > > not > > having something similar; I should have been able to use Turbine the > > same > > day I started looking at it, but six days on it's still a closed > book. > > [JH> ] I agree with you in the point that we are lacking documentation. > But > generating it would take weeks if not months. You said you only have > today. > I am not a magician, just some guy sitting at home in his free time, > trying > to help you get it up and running quickly. That is why I said use it. > > [JH> ] It seems to me as if you want to testdrive a Ferrari. You look > around > and find no user manual. You go to the salesman and say hey, there is > no > user manual, I cannot use it. The Salesman says: "Yes I understand this > is > a > problem, but all the development went into the car, there were no > resources > left to generate the user manual. We are terribly sorry about the fact. > But > let me help you start the car. Turn the Key, Hit the Clutch, Push down > the > Gas. Play with the gas, that will keep it running." So you go and try, > but > fail, because (of course) the car is new, you stall the engine. So you > again > go to the salesman and say "I cannot get it running. Why is there no > manual? > All other cars I tried have one!" So the salesman says "Yes sir, I > understand. Sorry, but we have had no more resources for the manual. We > had > to create the cheapest Ferrari on the Market. It is the fastest in > getting > up to 100km/h. It will help you get to your target faster than any > other > car > you tried. Let me help you once more..." Like with the Ferrari it takes > time > to know turbine. But once you know it, it will get you to your target > quicker than any other framework, because of all the features out of > the > box. > > > It is looking very, very doubtful that we'll be able to take on > Turbine > > here; even if by some miracle I can get the demo working, the lack of > > any > > real tutorial or code samples is almost certain to kill even the the > > idea > > of using it stone dead. > > > > Pete > [JH> ] I am very sad that you will not take the time to try to get the > engine running again. > > [JH> ] Maybe you will find time to review turbine at a later point. > Maybe > then we will have had the resources to generate the user manual. > > If I can still be of help to you let me know. > > Kind regards > > Juergen > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
