I started with Merlin a some weeks ago and have been trying to figure things
out and I'm working in Eclipse which made things far more difficult for me
and here is what I can tell you:


- Are there Eclipse example projects somewhere between the size of the
MerlinDeveloper tutorial and James showing how to:

I don't think so. And the fact the people using Eclipse may not want to
follow the directory structure that is being followed in Avalon
project,makes it even harder to work in Eclipse. But The MerlinDeveloper
plugin can help.
And if you are done with the Merlin tutorial available on the website then
there is a web-server example available which is a bigger application.


 
- What about generating the .xinfo automatically?  This seems to be
something that was done in excalibur and in cocoon but is undefined when
using MerlinDeveloper?
 

Outside Eclipse .xinfo files are generated by maven tasks defined in the
plugins that come with Merlin , not absolutely sure where it's happening. So
you might want to try to configure those tasks are external tools in
Eclipse. MerlinDeveloper does generate the .xinfo for the components that
you define when you create you project for the first time, but I don't think
it would update or generate .xinfo files as you change or add more
components.



- Does Merlin still need maven?

To the best of my knowledge, yes it very much uses Maven for its building
process. But this makes things a bit difficult to work in inside Eclipse.

 
- Does Maven supplant Ant?

Yeah pretty much. I think a majority of the apache project are now using
maven, at least most the Avalon projects are.
 
- The Merlin wiki is very sparse.  Is there some documentation beyond the
avalon/merlin pages at apache.org like a PDF or something to help get a
grasp on concepts.  The pages at apache have concepts but suffer in that
they do not show those concepts going into small projects.   Merlin uptake
is going to suffer as long as this is so.


The wiki, the website and the mailing list. That all there is right now. And
the developers pretty much understand this problem and are working on it.

After looking at all the docs on the website, the next stop is this list. 

If you can identify the issues you need info on then post those in the list.
Guys here know that Avalon can freak people out and so are very helpful and
you probably would get answers pretty soon.

And if you get more insight about using Merlin in Eclipse, pls keep posted
as I'm sailing in the same boat.


Vikas










-----Original Message-----
From: john tal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Merlin and going from MerlinDeveloper tutorial to a larger app

General Merlin/Avalon questions:
 
- Are there Eclipse example projects somewhere between the size of the
MerlinDeveloper tutorial and James showing how to:
 
- Add hierarchal config entries to block.xml (if possible)  like
<component><configuration><jdbc><driver>xyz</driver></jdbc></configuration><
/component>  I can only get my code to work omitting the level at jdbc as
configuration.getChild() does not seem to suppot ("jdbc/driver")
 
- Reference a larger set of configuration data from block.xml.  It is very
confusing as James shows james-*.xml files that are not in the Merlin
directory scheme
 
 
- What about generating the .xinfo automatically?  This seems to be
something that was done in excalibur and in cocoon but is undefined when
using MerlinDeveloper?
 
- Does Merlin still need maven?
 
- Does Maven supplant Ant?
 
- The Merlin wiki is very sparse.  Is there some documentation beyond the
avalon/merlin pages at apache.org like a PDF or something to help get a
grasp on concepts.  The pages at apache have concepts but suffer in that
they do not show those concepts going into small projects.   Merlin uptake
is going to suffer as long as this is so.
 
?? thanks in advance
 
John


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