I have the same dilemma. as well when evaluating . To me, choosing a platform, other than features or design, time to get live , time of support, recovery time if issues happen, deployment time is alway very important consideration .
Openstack is very component based design, each of the services has its own unique name , and before you go into it, you need to understand their terms, Network, they call it Neuron etc. Each of one component has one individual server running on it, and either a physical server or by container . Installation of Openstack. is painful , the standard documentation published online is not working, it definitely will come out with some unknown errors that you have to fix one by one . The fastest that you can get Openstack up and test is the install the All-In-One package, but that is not really recommended for production use. The whole process of getting up Openstack probably needs about 6months for a proper Experience LInux System Admin . I don't really think of Junior Sys Admin able to get it up so soon with those many un-documented installation processes . Those installation frmm installation scripts like Ansible etc , is not an easy taak, a lot of parameters that you need to know one by one. Another thing that you need to consider is the upgrade and maintenance, if you run a hosting company, you have to make sure enough / spare engineers that are always ready to support this . If one engineer is leaving, you may have the headache of going through another time of a long learning curve. Even though not engaging new engineer, Openstack is still under a massive development and bugfix , twice a year, Upgrade will become a painful thing if you have a lot of hypervisors out there and are not really familiar of the system and have so many components. While for Cloudstack, the only 3 processes needed, Management Server, Agent and if you need an optional Usage server . You can very fast provision a Compute Hypervisor , doesn't not need any Ansible etc. Just use the yum and apt from the repository to install. It is convenient and fast . For the features , both are similar , or you are looking at some very specific features ? Like DB as service , Storage as a service those ? Openstack has the advantage that a lot more hardware providers create drivers for it, for example Storage . But this proprietary storage provider, that you do not always need it, If you do not want to lock by Storage provider and need Ceph, it is supported in Cloudstack as well. Modular Design of Openstack is advantage for Developer to fully focus on some component and integration by API, however it is painful for the implementor if is not properly documented. I could safely say, you can up the cloudstack and be familiar with it within one month time, while it seems not possible for Openstack. On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 6:56 PM Andrija Panic <andrija.pa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ivet, > > just send them this page: > > https://cloudstack.apache.org/users.html > > There is a reason why Apple, BT, KDDI and so many more providers have > chosen CloudStack - those huge organisations surely do have $$$ to spend > but they have chosen CloudStack for reasons others have already explained > here. > > Cheers, > Andrija > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 11:09 Rene Moser, <m...@renemoser.net> wrote: > > > I can confirm this what Daan said, openstack needs orchestration tool to > > update components in particular order. It's doable but needs pretty good > > knowledge about each service and component and compatibility to each > > other and versions running. > > > > Exposing openstack api to public is not a thing I would recommend, many > > clouds create their own api on top. As a consequence, tooling and > > integration must be developed. an investment in time and knowledge must > > be made. > > > > Cloudstack is much easier to manage and the api can be exposed to the > > public. Some public clouds based on cloudstack just have reduces the > > features exposed to the api but have not changed api, though existing > > integration, like orchesration and tooling can be used. Onboarding for > > customers will be much better covered. > > > > > > On 15.12.20 09:00, Daan Hoogland wrote: > > > Ivet, the simplest way to put it is that cloudstack is a turnkey > > solution, > > > while openstack is a set of frameworks. You will need to have your > infra > > > components in place, but then you can start orchestrating them without > > > having to write much "glueing" software to get an orchestration > > platform. I > > > don't know the current state of openstack, so an honest comparison is > not > > > possible but this basic difference has always been there. > > > In addition to that your client will have to look at support matrices > for > > > hard- and software in both. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 2:28 PM ip <i...@storpool.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> Hello everyone, > > >> > > >> At StorPool we have a customer interested to migrate from one cloud > > >> management system to another. He is considering options and thinking > for > > >> OpenStack and CloudStack. > > >> > > >> Does somebody want to share some experience with him? > > >> Maybe some from ShapeBlue can say a few words to him about the > > CloudSatck > > >> advantages. I already shared a few, but a more technical perspective > > will > > >> be better. > > >> > > >> Thank you all in advance, > > >> > > >> > > >> *Ivet Petrova Madzharova* > > >> *Marketing Manager* > > >> > > >> > > >> *StorPool Storage* > > >> m: > > >> l: > > >> +359883321596 > > >> linkedin.com/in/ivpetrova <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ivpetrova> > > >> e: > > >> w: > > >> i...@storpool.com > > >> www.storpool.com > > >> > > >> [image: https://www.storpool.com] <https://www.storpool.com> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- Regards, Hean Seng
