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--- Geoff Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Switching back to users, as the feedback we need is really for them. 
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> Timothy Larson wrote:
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> > I lean toward a example properties file, because that introduces the
> > customization system that Cocoon uses.
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> Ok, point well taken and I agree this will work the best.  This is not 
> really what was asked for orginally though -- will this be perceived as 
> any better than the current state?  The benefit is that the less-often 
> modified properties will be removed from this file to reduce the shock 
> of wading through so much that doesn't need to be understood.  Still,
> I'll experiment with a build target that would load these defaults
> without the file-rename step which may scratch the other itch.

I see three possible problems with a source-only distribution: the user
not having an appropriate compiler, the user not wanting to wait for a
compile, and the shock to the user at having to compile at all.

With Java, having a appropriate compiler is not usually a problem.

Only a binary distribution can solve the compile-wait time.  We can have
progress toward a binary distribution if we disentangle building jars from
configuring webapps, like Ralph suggests.

Your suggested build target could help with the "I have to configure and
compile?" shock, especially if we hid it in a script named "configure".

> >>Also, are there other config issues can be agreed on for this 
> >>target/recommended setting?  Logging level?  Allow/Deny uploads?

Do you know any other big issues besides uploads and logging?

> > The default log level is already INFO, which is a reasonable default.
> > A default setting of Deny uploads is the most secure.
> 
> I agree on the uploads, but INFO will really be too verbose for 
> production for most people, don't you think?  It will contain every 
> component lookup, every step of every access, etc.  Perhaps as 
> developers we've too much treated INFO as FINE, but that's too late to 
> change.  I'd strongly suggest WARN or ERROR.

Lets pick one.  Would WARN be appropriate?

--Tim Larson


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