* Geoff Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-12-08 13:31]:
> Derek Hohls wrote:
>
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003/12/06 12:40:04 AM >>>
> >
> >Hello group,
> >At work I am building web apps with struts. There you have a
> >struts-blank.war and some examples. That is much easier to start.
> >You just have to unzip or unrar the war and you can start
> >building your webapp. You don't have a 90 MB big dist.. Ok, I
> >admit that cocoon depend on examples to show what u can do with
> >it, but why can we have a blank.war besides the full dist.
> >*Proposal*: KISS -> Keep It Simple and Successful. A lot of user
> >just need the XML,XSL and maybe FOP modul, why not provide such a
> >dist? I know there a wiki page to do it but why can't we provide
> >it?
> >Thorsten
> >
> >There has already been extensive discussion on this topic;
> >well, make that over-extensive discussion... browse the
> >mail archives and see for yourself all the pros and cons
> >of the debate.
> >
> >Bottom line is:
> >* there is no simple way to do this
> >* it may still happen in Cocoon 2.2 (or at least be easy
> >for you to do yourself)
>
> Actually, It's quite easy to do now with 2.1 - just copy
> blocks.properties to local.blocks.properties and exclude everything you
> don't want.
>
> My personal theory here is that everyone has the _illusion_ that they
> all have common basic needs. As an intellectual exercise, try to come
> to an agreement here on what blocks should be excluded/included by
> default.
>
> I've never used FOP, so you'd have my -1 on that for starters! :P
I just spent my day creating a blank Cocoon for a minimal webapp.
My Ant files pull dependencies from a repository on my web server. I
spent a couple hours adding the Cocoon dependencies to that
repository.
I had to wonder about the Pizza compiler, it seems to be a defunct
project. Cocoon JARs says it is needed for XSP, which I'm told is
deprecated, and which I don't intend to use. There is a jar, jstyle,
without version number, or home page, that seems to be a Java source
formatter.
I'm using none of the blocks for starters. (Yes, it was easy to turn
them off.) I'm be eager to see how easy it is to plug in a block
when I decide I need one. Right now I want only an XSLT framework.
I'm not sure what I'm getting into with this thead. I'm very excited
about Cocoon. I respect that it is difficult to manage dependencies
on a project so large. Reuse is good.
--
Alain Javier Guarnieri del Gesu - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Surpised that Avalon Excalibur would not build from CVS.)
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