Ralph Goers wrote:
About a week ago I started expanding the stub about Cocoon on Wikipedia. Hopefuly other list viewers can help improve this article further?Derek Hohls wrote:
I guess my 2c is that I do think Cocoon remains obscure. There
seem to be lots of people doing lots of good things with it, but
its never promoted [read - not discussed, written about, in forums
outside of Cocoon groups, where others could sit up and take notice]. It is a chicken-and-egg situation... but these things can be changed.
My $.02.
My experience with everyone who is now using Cocoon in our organization has gone something like this:
1. I already know Struts (and JSPs)...
I heard about Cocoon before Struts. As I understood it Cocoon requires less programming from the standard user. So its main "selling" point is power combined with relative ease of use. Except for the beginner, moving forward with the current documentation is a bit of a struggle.
2. It's too complicated.
3. The documentation is bad. The published books are old and don't cover the current release.
4. Wow. It does that?!
5. This is really ccol!
Obviously, getting past 1, 2 and 3 are the hard part, with 1 and 2 being the worst. The irony is that the solution, IMO, is number 3. Cocoon needs better documentation, more published articles, and better documentation.
I agree totally.
Amoungst others, I would like to see a "Cocoon Cookbook".
An O'Reilly "Definitive Guide" would be nice (with a woocut image of a butterfly on the cover). For reference, and promotion!
Remember though if 70% are using Struts - this does not mean that a portion of them are not using cocoon as well i.e. using the best tool for the particular project they are working on.
Thanks, Neo99
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