Thank you, Ralph, for your input on this thread. Once I've got a
deployment routine I'm comfortable with, I'll put together a document
describing what I have done, and how I feel about it. I might start a
new thread on this list before I do so to discuss my process with you
other guys.

Best regards,
Bent


On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:39:30 -0800, Ralph Goers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure, no problem. Just be sure to document what you come up with on the
> Wiki!
> 
> Raph
> 
> 
> 
> Eric Jacob wrote:
> 
> > Hi Ralph,
> >
> > Interestingâ I'll try to combine the two approachesâ
> >
> > Thanks for sharing!
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* Ralph Goers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:42 AM
> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Subject:* Re: Deployment of Cocoon apps. Best practices?
> >
> > David Leangen wrote:
> >
> >Hi, Ralph!
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks for your quick and helpful reply! :o)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>What do you mean? Where else would they be but WEB-INF/lib? Are
> >>
> >>you meaning when they are deployed?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Oh, ok, I think I see what you mean. So you're essentially obtaining a
> >
> >compiled webapp, so we can pretty much safely assume that all the JARs will
> >
> >always be in WEB-INF/lib...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>Also, do you use the latest CVS version or do you use a more stable
> >>>
> >>>release?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I use the latest stable release and apply my own patches as necessary.
> >>
> >>I actually put the cocoon src zip file in the maven repository and put
> >>
> >>patch files there as well so that others could build what is in production
> >>
> >>if they needed to.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Sorry if this is a silly question, but what do you mean by "patch files"?
> >
> >
> >
> > If you look at the maven.xml file I attached to an earlier response
> > you will see an xpatch task defined. This uses Cocoon's XConfToolTask
> > to patch the root sitemap.xmap, cocoon.xconf, and any other XML files
> > I might want to "patch". If you look at the blocks, many of them have
> > a conf directory that has patch files in them. I believe this is
> > documented on the wiki. Typically, I only modify the root sitemap to
> > remove a couple of pipelines and to patch in decent pool values.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>Eric's approach seems to depend less on the structure of how Cocoon
> >>>
> >>>is built, but seems to require the developer to manually track the JARs.
> >>>
> >>>Ralph's approach solves the problem of manually tracking the JARs...
> >>>
> >>>but it seems that it depends on how the Cocoon project is structured.
> >>>
> >>>Or am I mistaken?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You are correct. I initially did what Eric is doing but found that it was
> >>
> >>a real pain to upgrade all the cocoon blocks and dependencies with
> >>
> >>each release.  I also assume that Cocoon has been tested with the
> >>
> >>jars it ships with so using anything else, in my mind, is not supported.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for sharing this with me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>I guess what I'm really interested in is completely automating
> >>>
> >>>the build, so it works without any intervention even when Cocoon
> >>>
> >>>is updated. Is this even possible, do you think?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Well, I build cocoon, put the war file, cocoon.jar, cocoon-testcase.jar
> >>
> >>and cocoon-anttask (I build that from the anttask directory) in the
> >>
> >>maven repository and then update a couple of files with the new release
> >>
> >>umber and I am done.  I only put cocoon.jar and cocoon-testcase there
> >>
> >>because I have custom components that require them at compile time.
> >>
> >>They are not used when building the webapp.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Ok, I see.
> >
> >
> >
> >What about your xml (or xdoc or whatever) files + stylesheets? I suppose
> >
> >that you probably have various projects going on that use Cocoon... how do
> >
> >you manage those projects and merge them into your Cocoon build?
> >
> >
> >
> > They all use the same Cocoon war. Each project has a file structure like:
> >
> > project
> > - maven.xml
> > - project.xml
> > - project.properties
> > - config
> > - various patch files for the xpatch task
> > - src
> > - java
> > - java source subdirectories
> > - webapp
> > - WEB-INF
> > - web.xml (replacement for Cocoon's)
> > - directory named after project
> > - sitemap.xmap
> > - project.roles (actually, also named after the project).
> > - project subdirectories, each with their own sitemap.
> >
> > Maven unwars the cocoon war file into the target directory, compiles
> > any java source, performs the patches in the config directory, copies
> > the web.xml and the project directory (and subdirectories) and then
> > creates a new war file. This happens for every project, if we want a
> > separate webapp. To merge them we would need a project with multiple
> > project subdirectories. Most everything else would be the same.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the advice!
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >BTW, is there a reason you sent this off-list? I think your advice would be
> >
> >useful for others, too, if you're willing to share.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah. For some reason many of the emails I just do "reply" to from
> > this list are directed to people, not the list. That should never
> > happen, IMO. Sometimes I don't notice. As a rule I never try to
> > respond off the list.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> 
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